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Skin problem

cornsnake234 Oct 17, 2003 05:05 PM

I gave a mineral oil bath to my 3 corn because I had a mite problem, and now their skin are in an horrible condition but there is no more tick or mites.
They lose their scales and the skin is always wet and sticky!!

When i give them a bath, i put one teaspoon of mineral oil in about 2 cup of water.

Is it dangerous for their skin!? What should i do to heal them!? Is someone already have had the same problem!?

Any help is appreciated, i will try to post pic later.
thx
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Replies (14)

draybar Oct 17, 2003 05:57 PM

>>I gave a mineral oil bath to my 3 corn because I had a mite problem, and now their skin are in an horrible condition but there is no more tick or mites.
>>They lose their scales and the skin is always wet and sticky!!
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>>When i give them a bath, i put one teaspoon of mineral oil in about 2 cup of water.
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If they aren't showing signs of mites quit giving them mineral baths.
I would maybe try to bathe them with just water or maybe even mild soapy water to help remove the mineral oil.
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Gargoyle420 Oct 17, 2003 09:02 PM

What are you housing them in?That and a 30 foot radius around your cages will have mites.Please explain scales falling off.Are these wildcaught?Are you sure the snakes arent just shedding?Are there any black sores on there belly?If they have open sores clean them the way Draybar said to do,then apply a light coat of neosporin.What type of bedding do you use and how often to you clean it?Your going to want newspapers to you clear up your mite problem.How old are your snakes?If there over a year i would use no pest strips in there cages and i would sprinkle sevin dust 5% around the cage,the lid of the cage,under the cage and the floor around it.Leave the no pest strip overnite and take out the water bowl.Repeat the no pest strip after 3 days then one week after that.I often do it again one week later.I normally smear the sevin dust on the snakes also but with open wounds that might not be the best idea.Good Luck...Paul

pinatamonkey Oct 17, 2003 09:47 PM

Once, one of my corns got underneath the seat of my computer chair and got all greasy. It made the outer layer of his scales fall off, clear individual scales that came off in your hands. The scales underneath were kind of rough looking. That may be what is happening with the mineral oil. It fixed itself after he shed.
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cornsnake234 Oct 18, 2003 08:43 AM

That's exactly like you said.
It's not the entire scale that fall off, only the outer layer, and it look really rough under it.

Thx for the help!
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Gargoyle420 Oct 18, 2003 11:38 AM

np

Naamah Oct 18, 2003 01:45 PM

I realize this is a long post, but you NEED to hear it.

First, I realize that there is room in this hobby for people to do things their own way. A lot of the time there isn't 'right' or 'wrong', but only what works for you and what doesn't.

That said, using no-pest strips is WRONG, no matter what anyone insists is 'safe'. These things are loaded with organophosphates, which cause neurological damage that may not show up for years. If you want specific information, I can dig it up, but I hope to God that the word of an experienced herper is good enough for you. Also, the badness of these things is well-documented on the web. You might want to look into it.

Second, where did you get the idea that oil is good for mites? This pernicious and false rumor has led to more skin problems than I can shake a pointed stick at. The oil is what is causing problems with your snakes.

First things first. Get the animals to a qualified herp vet. He'll probably tell you to just wait, that they'll shed it off naturally. This may take some time to clear up. You will need to keep their cage very clean in the meantime, as they'll be vulnerable to infection.

Second, treat the cage for mites. Sterilize it using Comet liquid bathroom cleaner (smells like oranges, main ingredient is citric acid). This dissolves all mites, larvae, and their eggs. Sterilize all cage furniture. Replace substrate with newspaper or paper towels. With the snakes already having skin problems, I don't think I'd reccommend soaking them. Check the snakes daily for mites. Remove any that you see by hand. Clean the cage again every time you find one. I don't care if you don't like it, it's the only way to be sure you get them all. Once you've gone for a couple of weeks without seeing any at all, you should be clear.

This is what I do for my snakes, though I usually bathe them daily and wipe them down with a very very diluted listerine/water solution. This method has never failed to kill mites on all infested animals brought to me (I did a lot of rescue work for a while).

It also has the advantage of being totally safe, unlike pest strips. Please think carefully, and do your research before commiting to any course of action that involves the application of chemicals to your pet or its environment. These things are not as safe as people make them out to be.

Sorry if I come across as a b***h, but I got a couple of my hot buttons pushed. I just want to be sure that SOMEONE posted and told you that pest strips are not safe (yeah, yeah, I know some of you have used them for years safely, blah blah blah, but I DON'T CARE, sorry).

Do what you feel is right.

And I'm really not normally this short-tempered. Sorry.

--Naamah (b***hily)

Gargoyle420 Oct 18, 2003 04:20 PM

First of all i dont oil snakes,It's stupid.
Second of all i have used no pest strips for over a decade with no problems.
Third of all i havent had a mite infection in years.
Fourth of all ive been using sevin dust 5% for over a decade.
Fifth of all i have in 23 years had only one snake die because i got shafted with an online purchase of a Guyana redtail that was a puker from birth.
Sixth of all these are just my opinions,I dont have fact sheets ,i know thru trial and error what has worked perfectly for me for years.
Seventh of all I have seen kathy loves post about no pest strips and neonate corns,that's why i asked him if they were over a year old....Paul.

cornsnake234 Oct 18, 2003 04:43 PM

First, i didnt use petstrips and don't want to use it because mites problem is over.
Unlike you said mineral oil works great because it kill mites, when they are all surronded by oil, they cannot breath anymore and they died.
I soak only one time my snake in oil, and it wasnt a full oil bath, only one teaspoon in 2cup of water, i let them 15 min and then, i remove oil from their skin with a clean towel.

So, they arent going to die and it's gonna be ok when the will shed. Lot of people use this trick against mites, im not a fool!!
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Gargoyle420 Oct 18, 2003 04:58 PM

So what did you clean your cages with?Comet?All i did was try and help you with your snakes and i got flamed hardcore by some big fan of household bathroom cleaners.Mineral oil didnt clean your cages,or solve your mite problem.Just wait your ordeal has just begun....Good Luck...Paul.

draybar Oct 18, 2003 05:03 PM

>>Unlike you said mineral oil works great because it kill mites, when they are all surronded by oil, they cannot breath anymore and they died.
>>I soak only one time my snake in oil, and it wasnt a full oil bath, only one teaspoon in 2cup of water, i let them 15 min and then, i remove oil from their skin with a clean towel.
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>>So, they arent going to die and it's gonna be ok when the will shed. Lot of people use this trick against mites, im not a fool!!
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If you are SO sure that you did everything right and the problem will clear up with the next shed then why did you post the original post trying to figure out what the problem was and how you can help your snake?
If mineral oil works so well, why is your snake having skin problems (only after using the oil)?
I didn't see anyone call you a fool but if you didn't want opinions, you shouldn't have asked for opinions.
It would seem that the main objective would be helping your snake.
So, if it only had problems after using oil, get the oil off of it. Seems like a good place to start.
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Remember, my posts are MY opinion only.
Jimmy (draybar)

cornsnake234 Oct 18, 2003 05:59 PM

I wasnt talking to you guys, i was just answering to Naamah, he was like frustrated, and told me to didnt use pet strip but if he had well read my question i said i didnt have mites anymore, i didnt clean the cage with oil. AM i so bad in english for making you understand that!??!?

It's just that i'm not crazy at this point, people who own snakes just told me that oil was a good way to kill mites and i thought it was better to use oil than any chemical product! I was so desesperated with these mites that i did it and it gave me good result.... it didnt mean that im happy that my snakes have skin problem.... but if it fix after shed like pinatamonkey said.... i didnt know why i would worry about this anymore, i remove oil and i did all i can do, but now they are ok for mites and their skin will heal next shed. I made a mistake with oil but everyone can do so. Im sorry to have been so bad with you but it was just like i was an ignorant girl who didnt know anything about snakes!!! it was just my first experience with mites, i just buy a new snake and... next time i will now what to do!!

I'm sorry, it was not against you draybar.... and not against you gargoyle... you were very sweet to answer me and it help me a lot!

THX
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draybar Oct 18, 2003 06:20 PM

You don't have to apologise to me. I just hang out here pestering people and posting pics when I get a few I like.
As long as you feel your snake/snakes are OK and you are willing to learn what it takes to keep them that way, that's all that's important.
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Remember, my posts are MY opinion only.
Jimmy (draybar)

Gargoyle420 Oct 18, 2003 06:36 PM

Im just a troll here anyway.But i do my best to help peeps.I wouldnt willingly tell you anything that would harm your snakes...Paul.

Naamah Oct 19, 2003 01:56 AM

Look -- I just wanted to give you a red light. Pest strips are dangerous. Theoretically, it's safe to treat a cage with them if there is no snake in it, but if the snake comes into physical contact with the strip, bad things WILL happen. I have seen this plenty of times, in everything from corns to an anaconda (which, given the size of the snake, surprised the Hell out of me). I just got to where I was not comfortable using the things. They're too dangerous.

I know you SAID you don't have mites anymore but someone else posted and told you to treat the cage anyway. Yikes! I felt this needed to be addressed, in case you decided to make sure by doing the pest-strip thing anyway. In case you can't tell, this is a hot spot. A friend lost a gorgeous green anaconda this way, and it just kills me to think about it.

And, yes, I'm a fan of old-fashioned bathroom cleaners. I use citric acid because it's easy to clean up, doesn't have any disagreeable chemicals in it. It also dissolves mites (how cool is that?), rather than poisoning or drowning them. Bleach is hard to rinse off of everything known to man, and because I can't personally tolerate the smell. I use it for heavy-duty cleanup, but not everyday.

Sorry if I came across as flaming *you*. I wanted to WARN you so that you didn't hurt your snakes which are my first concern (as they are yours) -- always, always, always think and research *before* you act -- even if it seems harmless (oil, for instance, and it does seem like a reasonable idea). Also, just because someone says they've done something 'forever' doesn't mean it's safe. It could just mean they're lucky. I read an account of someone (I will try to find the specific account, but it was in the forums ages ago) rubbing a neonate or juvie four-lined ratsnake with a pest strip, and watching it thrash around and die. Safe? Sure. You bet.

As for your snakes . . . Like I said -- they'll probably be okay. Just be ready to help them with their skin for a while. They may need help shedding, and it may take a few months for the skin to un-stick from itself. This is what happened with a boa that I was brought to care for that had been soaked in oil for mites. This was repeated soakings, though, so we can hope that you don't have to wait that long. I'm also afraid if you soak them in water, it will suck out all the natural good oils from their skin and make it even drier and flakier. Obviously, a vet could help if you could find one.

And, btw, I AM a girl. Use it as an excuse to ignore me. Others have. But I'm not ignorant. If you want to see the list of what I have kept and currently have, email me. I'll be glad to show you that I do have some experience.

Again, as I stated in my original post, my intent was not to piss you off. It was to genuinely warn you -- pest strips are dangerous. I wouldn't say it if I hadn't seen that it's true. (God knows, I wish it were that easy to get rid of mites, without getting rid of the snake, too. . .)

So, I do ask your forgiveness. For real. I was probably rude, when I meant to be firm. I can be a b***h sometimes. Sorry. And I really do want to know how things come out.

Let us know what happens with the next shed. You should start seeing improvement. (We can hope.)

--Naamah (the Extra Flame-y)

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