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Just wondering what you all think about minimum size for breeding both male and females Burms is?

Age/Weight/Length or whatever you think is most important

Wow this forum is quiet eh?

we know that the smallest female to breed and produce good eggs was, 4 1/2' and smallest male that bred was around 3-3 1/2'.

This of course isnt what you were looking for.

Some of the others in here should be able to tell you an average for normal breeding size on "normal" Burms. I would say a "normal" female would go an average of around 12' and males 8'? Of course some smaller or some larger too. I couldnt give you weights for them, sorry, hope this helps.

Savannah

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I would really like to see pictures of these 3 foot male burmese. I know that if I had 3 foot dwarfs breeding with 4 1/2 foot female dwarfs that I would have taken thousands of pictures. So I assume that you got oodles of good pictures. You keep posting the same two pictures of what looks to me to be about a 7 foot burmese. Where are the gravid 4 1/2 foot girls at? Please post these soon, I am dieing to see them.

>>we know that the smallest female to breed and produce good eggs was, 4 1/2' and smallest male that bred was around 3-3 1/2'.
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>>This of course isnt what you were looking for.
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>>Some of the others in here should be able to tell you an average for normal breeding size on "normal" Burms. I would say a "normal" female would go an average of around 12' and males 8'? Of course some smaller or some larger too. I couldnt give you weights for them, sorry, hope this helps.
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>>Savannah
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You seem to answer a lot of Q's here. Any chance of some input on my Q regarding minimum breeding sizes. Also, what would you consider SUITABLE breeding sizes?

Thanks

Sorry about that. I got sidetracked with the comical thing and forgot all about your original question.

"Minimum breeding sizes" is a relative thing as it also involves age. Age is often as much of a factor as size. If you are referring to very young burmese, like 18 months to 2 years old, I would say that 10 or 11 feet may be a minimum size for females. But the older a female is, the smaller that minimum can be. Personally, I have a general 12 foot rule that I try to adhere to. I have never attempted to breed small females and generally try to get some considerable size on them first. I feel that it's safer for them if they are larger and that it increases the chances of optimum fucundity. But I have known people that allow small burms to breed. I have seen a number of older 8 foot females throw viable clutches. And I wouldn't think it inconcievable for older 6 and 7 footers to successfully breed. As for males, I feel that they should be over 7 feet if young. But I'm sure a much smaller male could breed if he were older (4 years)

So you see, there really isn't a cut and dry answer to this. There are a lot of variables. But if I had to slap an answer on it, I would say 9' for females and 7' for males.

>>You seem to answer a lot of Q's here. Any chance of some input on my Q regarding minimum breeding sizes. Also, what would you consider SUITABLE breeding sizes?
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>>Thanks
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Thanks Brian, that was helpful

Brian, you will be retracting it all. You say that female is 7'? Haha. A 7' female looks like this with a $20 dollar bill? You claim a normal male can breed at a much smaller size than a normal female? So you claim this female is 7', a male should be ale to breed at at least 4', so you still dont make sense. THis female isnt 7' its closer to 5', sorry. You are so sure, come over here and bring your money, you seem to know so much about something you have never seen. Im not worried about losing the money, but you should. Lets do it..

On the other hand, why fight it so hard? They are here in pictures right in front of you and you still dont believe it, why? Because a big name doesnt have them. Youre not a big name, we arent a big name is the burm world, but if one of them did get them you wouldnt have a problem. We do have pictures of them breeding, I will upload them and post some. But then you still wouldnt believe it either, so instead of arguing, come here and see em. Damon, tell me what you think will happen with the market if they are real, which they are and you will see small babies soon.

Thanks
Savannah

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Ohhh,.. somehow I don't think I will be retracting anything. You're right, I don't believe it. All you have shown is the same three pictures since day one. Of one animal. Now,. if you post multiple pictures of multiple animals then, MAYBE, I might believe there were some smaller burmese found. Maybe. But even so,. your claims of 3 foot males and 5 foot females is just silly. What you are describing is like rosy boas. Born at 1 foot and grows to a mature 3 foot? It's so silly it's absurd. Had you claimed 5 foot mature males and 7 or 8 foot fully grown females I may have believed it. But not 3 and 5 feet. And I know that I am not the only one that seriously doubts all these outlandish claims. Just the only one to say so.

>>Brian, you will be retracting it all. You say that female is 7'? Haha. A 7' female looks like this with a $20 dollar bill? You claim a normal male can breed at a much smaller size than a normal female? So you claim this female is 7', a male should be ale to breed at at least 4', so you still dont make sense. THis female isnt 7' its closer to 5', sorry. You are so sure, come over here and bring your money, you seem to know so much about something you have never seen. Im not worried about losing the money, but you should. Lets do it..
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>>On the other hand, why fight it so hard? They are here in pictures right in front of you and you still dont believe it, why? Because a big name doesnt have them. Youre not a big name, we arent a big name is the burm world, but if one of them did get them you wouldnt have a problem. We do have pictures of them breeding, I will upload them and post some. But then you still wouldnt believe it either, so instead of arguing, come here and see em. Damon, tell me what you think will happen with the market if they are real, which they are and you will see small babies soon.
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>>Thanks
>>Savannah
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HAHA.. Ok, come and see the females that produced eggs. I will post 2 different females that laid eggs at around 5'. If a females max size is 7' you dont think she could breed at 5'? What are you talking about. Tomorrow I will post more pictures. I mean of course everone has females laying eggs at 5 or even 6' and even though you see the size of eggs and size of the female gravid and then laying eggs, you still dont believe it.. Thats fine, This will be funny.

One of the females produced a a clutch of slugs and good eggs and here is her picture. And dont say anything about the cage being a little dirty, of course Im not going to move her around much when she is ready to lay. But again, tell me this female is 7'. She is smaller than the one Ive been showing gravid and laying eggs. Also here is them breeding, see the deli cup, yes a deli cup, how big are those 3 or 4". But im sure you will have something to add. These are all I have right here, but tomorrow I will post full breeding shots and others. THese arent great pictures but your calling me out, so.

I dont want to argue that is stupid, especially online. You help people in this forum that dont know what theyre doing, thats great, and you dont have to believe it, but I should be able to share with the people that do care and that dont have the room to keep 15' animals. THese will help a lot with problems associted with large sizes, like putting snakes to sleep, releasing to the city, constrictor size laws. Once we have the babies hatch I will be more then happy to show you them and to finidh this debate once and for all. When these do become available to the public, they will be popular for a good reason, the color morphs burms already have, and their small size.

ANyway, thanks for your time.
Savannah

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Here is another one, they are in the corner of a 3' neodesha cage. You can see about half of their body, so you can tell they are small.
[img]http://www.morphspecialties.com/images/burmbreed3.jpg

Savannah
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I don't know about anyone else, but all I see are little white boxes with red X's in them. I tried to paste the link and got nowhere.

Also, I must say that you seem to get very irate when I state my doubts. So irate that your responses border on immature tantrum-like outbursts. It makes me wonder,.... why do you even care if I doubt this story? I mean,.. if this were true you wouldn't really need to convince me. You would have no trouble ever selling any of these if they did actually exist. So why do you care if I believe it or not? Just curious.

>>Here is another one, they are in the corner of a 3' neodesha cage. You can see about half of their body, so you can tell they are small.
>>[img]http://www.morphspecialties.com/images/burmbreed3.jpg
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>>Savannah
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Well now Im getting red X's, hmm, they were working, will fix it later tonight or tomorrow. Sorry.

http://www.morphspecialties.com/images/burmbreed3.jpg

http://www.morphspecialties.com/images/ralhpsfemaledwarf.JPG
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This pic looks like solid proof to me....

I have been following the dwarf burm threads

I have to step in and say something...

Everytime there is something NEW or out of the ordinary everyone doubts it.Wether its a new morph..dwarfs..ect ect..Its the same story everytime.

Anytime Morph specialties says anything about it a certain someone always seems to get rude and make comments.I have nowhere seen morph specialties act in anyway rude or"border on immature tantrum-like outbursts"Completely the other way around in my eyes.

How is someone suppose to act with the constant bashing and negative replies...

To morphspecialties...I hope its all true,There really isnt any reason it cant be..look at dwarf retics,I hope you can prove anyone who doubted you wrong.It would be a great snake.You have not for a second acted "border on immature tantrum-like outbursts"in my eyes..there is only so much negative remarks someone can take before they get upset.

When the babies hatch post some pics!

Here is another one, they are in the corner of a 3' neodesha cage. You can see about half of their body, so you can tell they are small.

Savannah
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Here is more pictures of dwarf burms breeding, laying eggs, being gravid, etc. 2 females with eggs, both around 5'. I will add more pictures on there with full shots of breeding later, I will update you.

THese pictures will show the size of the females better.

As soon as babies hatch I will post those as well, its still some time away though. Thank you.

Savannah

Dwarf pics here

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I have my doughts but i am also KEEPING MY FINGERS CROSSED FOR YOU. I do not have alot of room for big snakes. I have a giant 8 ft by 8 ft barn coming in sometime this week. That gives you an idea how much room i have.

Are they feeding on small rabbits.

The bad eggs looks like what i produce last year. Only there was about 90 more of them.

>>Here is more pictures of dwarf burms breeding, laying eggs, being gravid, etc. 2 females with eggs, both around 5'. I will add more pictures on there with full shots of breeding later, I will update you.
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>>THese pictures will show the size of the females better.
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>>As soon as babies hatch I will post those as well, its still some time away though. Thank you.
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>>Savannah
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>>Dwarf pics here
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