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this here female will be bred with
this here male... really crappy picture, very washed out plus he was trying to attack me the whole time
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he is a "het" red stripe
i think they should have some unusual babies
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-robin struck
Geckoheads And Geeks
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-robin struck
Geckoheads And Geeks
Wow!! Cool leos! By the way, the picture of the male isn't crappy at all. It's excellent.
Tim
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. . . no one's even wondering if this "het" thing is going to hold up or not. Seems to me like a lot of us will know the answer next year, huh.
Robin, I think that's an interesting pairing - that might turn out to be something very cool. I can see why you picked her out to pair up.
Like I said, it should make things interesting next breeding season.
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Monte Meyer
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Red stripes are certainly not a simple recessive trait... I'm just treating them as "hets" in my breedings back to their red stripe father to see what happens.
Trust me, if there was any guarantee that they would hatch out red stripes they wouldn't be $75-$115 each on average =)
I think we are using the term "het" (complete with " "
as an easy way of saying: "fathered by the red stripe male"
I actually no longer even use that term loosely in reference to the offspring as I don't want to cause any confusion.
Those animals are simply a shot in the dark to see if something special hatches out... half of their genes came from Daddy Red Stripe, but that is the only sure thing about them.
I just want to make sure everyone understand's that these "hets: aka: offspring from the red stripe male" projects are NOT guaranteed to produce anything special... they are simply an inexpensive shot at producing something neat a year in advance.
I hope this post cleared up any confusion...
The link below is to my available page where you can see how I describe them:
The Description on my Available Page
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-Ross Payan - www.LeosAnonymous.com
Ball Pythons, Red Striped Leos, W.Hognose and Screaming AFT's
Oh, I understand completely - I'm just curious to see if it's related to black striping and if it truly acts like a "het".
A lot has been discussed about stripe being "genetic" - aka dominant/recessive. Well, I just think this will be interesting, and will go a long way in proving out that theory.
But also - to be clear - you did call them "hets", Ross. You might have changed it later - but that's what you called it. Now that's cool with me, and I'm not sure I would all of a sudden back off that statement. I understand the caveat that goes along with it - but a word is a word - and I'm sure everyone involved does as well. Let's see where it goes next year.
It's gonna be fun proving it all out.
I'm excited about it either way. It's like being in genetics class all over again.
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Monte Meyer
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I realize that I used the term "hets" in the past, that was probably a mistake on my part, as I didn't really think about the confusion it may cause until later on. But I did always have the explanation on my available page, to make sure everyone knew exactly what they are.
I only responded to your post so that everyone would know that nothing has been proven simple recessive. Just trying to avoid any confusion, nip it at the bud... nothing more, nothing less.
I agree that this project should go a long way into helping figure out what exactly is behind the striped mutation... It's just way too unique to not be genetic in some way, in my opinion at least.
Who knows... maybe this form of stripe will prove to be simple recessive afterall. The red stripe x red stripe breedings have produced 100% stripes thus far... of course the coloration and amount of carrot tail varies with each individual.
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-Ross Payan - www.LeosAnonymous.com
Ball Pythons, Red Striped Leos, W.Hognose and Screaming AFT's
Yeah, I understand. I'm sure that those of us who went into this went in with eyes wide open.
Still, the possibilities are exciting, to say the least. And personally - I'm happy that pattern morphs (even though they are slightly fru-fru patterns) are getting the interest they deserve.
After RT gets his blue leo going - and I FIND THE KEY TO all black (he he) leos - what's left is incorporatinig cool patterns. What fun.
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Monte Meyer
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Do you have any idea what's going on with the blue albinos?
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-Ross Payan - www.LeosAnonymous.com
Ball Pythons, Red Striped Leos, W.Hognose and Screaming AFT's
I thought they were supposed to come out very soon.
That RT - he's a wizard. I really hope that comes out. Could you imagine - a creamy blue leo wih hot rod stripes?
Makes you almost pee your pants!!!
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Monte Meyer
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I have been wondering how he is going to create a blue leo. One thought I had was what would you get if you had a melanistic patternless? The body color of patternless seems to be the "background" color, tan, yellow, and more recently, some shades of orange. But what if the spots predominated, or the gecko had the genes that create that dark "cast" on melanistics? What would you get? It occurs to me you might get a gecko that looked sort of blue.
Or maybe he's stumbled onto something entirely new, geckos do get that blue/green pigment over their eyes when they are young.A blue pigment combined with hypo? Will be interesting to see what he finally unveils.
Whatever he does, if it utilizes the patternless gene or hypomelanism or total melanism,will be hard or impossible to get a pattern into that.
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Sarah Stettler aka Starling
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Nice looking striper Robin! I wish you the best of luck when you pair them up this season.
I can't wait to see how these two gene pools mesh.
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-Ross Payan - www.LeosAnonymous.com
Ball Pythons, Red Striped Leos, W.Hognose and Screaming AFT's
this is no gaurentee but im willing to takt the chance to see what happens. after working with the pair of stripes i have, this past year. the ones i have seem to be genetic in nature, seems like simple recessive but who knows really however they are definately genetic in some form or fashion. i think that it is odd that from a stripe to stripe breeding every single baby i hatched out from that pair was completely striped. now i know kelli had similar results with her line of stripes she bred this year and i am willing to take the chance on this line. i do not think every line of stripes is genetic in nature but i do believe there are some, so this next year should be VERY interesting to say the least
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-robin struck
Geckoheads And Geeks
I see the male has hypo genes going on there too, does that work against the stripe? Doesn't a hypo stripe lose its stripe?
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Sarah Stettler aka Starling
Sarah@stargecko.com
StarGecko.Com COMING SOON! Star Quality Leopard Geckos
Specializing in Hypotangerine Tremper Albinos
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