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Status of wild D.c. erebennus (any TX natives out there?)

DeanAlessandrini Oct 23, 2003 11:38 AM

I don't get to TX very often...and I can't find a SINGLE paper written on the current status of the TX indigo in the US.

It would seem that development in South central TX would not be as big of an issue as it in Florida...but I don't know that for a fact.

Anyone know:

- Is most of the territory in SC TX (s of San Antonio)still privately owned ranch?
- Much new development to speak of?
- Anyone know if the general public (especially the land owners)
are very familiar with Drymarchon? Can they ID them? know they are harmless? Are thet the type of people that kill every snake they see?

I'd like to delve into the state of this species in S. TX...but...damn if I can find anything on it.

Replies (6)

sgoodson1 Oct 23, 2003 11:59 AM

South of sa is hit and miss as far as development, some cites are growing but most of the land is unpopulated and privately owned. There is alot of development in the cites but the land inbetween most cites is pertty much un touched due to most people moving to the cites for work, etc. As far as owners etc knowing about the indigos most do and most poeple that live in the outskirts and country are mostly intune with nature, That is most people dont kill them for the sake of them being a snake. They are more apt to let them be to take care of rodents etc. That said like every where else we have haters that kill every thing they see but thats a vast minority. The people that populate this part of the state are mostly country and have lived that way for a while(farms, ranches,etc) and have respect for the land and whats on it. That is if you have permission to be on the land as for humans. But thats once again not always the case. As far as identifying them by looks probly not but there is a effort to protect the species and they are not extremly rare i have seem 3 this year, and only been back 8 months. Awasome snakes and if i lived any where but here i would own them. Hope this helps feel free to email me if needed. Scott

Tom Lott Oct 23, 2003 04:55 PM

Dean,

- Is most of the territory in SC TX (s of San Antonio)still privately owned ranch?

Yes, except for Corpus Christi, Laredo, and most of the Lower Rio Grande Valley. There are still good populations remaining even in the less disturbed portions of these areas.

- Much new development to speak of?

Mainly only in the areas mentioned above.

- Anyone know if the general public (especially the land owners)are very familiar with Drymarchon? Can they ID them? know they are harmless? Are thet the type of people that kill every snake they see?

It's impossible to make a blanket statement about this. Some do. Others do not. I suspect there are a lot of ignorant yahoos who take pot shots at them during the upcoming hunting season, which is when they are most commonly seen (cooler weather).

I have been herping south Texas for more than forty years and, though it's probably not politically correct to say as much, they seem to be just as common as ever around here.

Tom Lott

dan felice Oct 23, 2003 07:47 PM

np

DeanAlessandrini Oct 24, 2003 07:24 AM

np

Juang Oct 24, 2003 11:12 AM

Hey Dean, long time no communicate. Sorry. The black male you sold me about 2 years ago is doing great and loving S. Texas. We've communicated briefly about erebennus sitings in the Rio Grande Valley. I grew up right in the middle of Harlingen, Texas, and have always see the black snake. We still see it... hatchlings as well as adult. Sited adult female and hatchlings this season. The one saving grace for erebennus in the Rio Grande Valley is reliable water. The Arroyo Colorado runs thru Harlingen to the gulf. Numerous resacas. And the Valley is still largely agricultural with a canal system from I believe 100 years ago.
However, this habitat won't last long. The Valley population is exploding. Predictably habitat will fragment, like Florida, leaving any possible erebennus in state parks. If you have any question I'll reply as best I can. See ya, Juan Gutierrez p.s. would like a female soon... and p.s. How's breeding rubidus???

chrish Oct 25, 2003 07:53 AM

Is most of the territory in SC TX (s of San Antonio)still privately owned ranch?

All of SoTex (except for a few NWRs and state parks) is privately owned.

Much new development to speak of?

As others have stated, the cities are expanding, but the rest is cattle/deer hunting country. This is good for indigos in that ranchers/hunting managers tend to leave stands of native brush and even add cattletanks. Water is one of the limiting factors in the distribution of indigos in SoTex, and I suspect there is more standing water in SoTex than before.

Another factor that is currently in the indigos favor is that SoTex contains many large ranches and few main roads. This decreases road mortality rates.

In the lower valley (the Brownsville/McAllen sprawl), the human population is expanding at an alarming rate. How quickly this will destroy habitat is unknown. Water management is becoming an issue and the farmland is expanding where irrigation will allow. Indigos don't seem to do well in irrigated farmland, even if there are corridor of native brush. I suspect it is a result of their large home ranges.

There are corridors of NWRs and state parks along the rivers where indigos are still common, but these parcels of land are becoming increasingly fragmented and isolated.

Fortunately, birding is big business in SoTex along the river. Birders are one of the largest groups of recreational outdoors people in the US (more people bird than play golf, for example). They also travel, spend money, and get involved in local politics. So there is at least a loud voice for conservation involved in planning along the lower Valley.

As an example, a plan to drain a roadside pond in the town of Zapata a few years ago was stopped largely by the influence of birders. A local golf course owner decided he wanted that water for his golf course and after several teenagers drowned in the pond when their car flipped into it, the golf course offered to "remove the hazard" by using the water. This golf course owner was apparently one of the politically powerful men in this small town and it looked like he would get his way. But this pond is one of the few places in the US that the White-collared Seedeater (a trash bird from Mexico) breeds, and birders were not about to let some golf course owner destroy the habitat. They contacted the city council and used receipts, hotel bills, etc, to show just how much money they spend in the town of Zapata, primarily to see those birds. The pond was saved. I have never seen an indigo next to this rather urban pond, but there is a big stand of brush and cane behind it, so maybe a cribo was saved as well?

So there are voices actively fighting the destruction of the lower valley. Next time you complain about birdwatchers, remember, you are on the same team!

Anyone know if the general public (especially the land owners) are very familiar with Drymarchon? Can they ID them? know they are harmless? Are thet the type of people that kill every snake they see?

Yes and no. Indigos benefit from the supposition that they eat rattlesnakes in the brush country. So the local ranchers tend to like them. When I worked in SoTex many years ago doing brush research, the ranchers we dealt with would actually stop their trucks and let the snakes finish crossing the farm roads as they viewed them as beneficial (I will say that parcels of land with healthy indigo pops rarely had atrox on them!).

In the lower valley, I suspect the urban residents just kill snakes in their yards, no questions asked. Here, the fact that indigos are such large snakes acts against them. A lot of people may tolerate a Coniophanes in their yard, but a 6 foot cribo is a different story.

Add to this the fact that many of the "residents" of the lower valley are actually "winter Texans" who live up north in the summer and come to the valley to live in their RVs for the winter. They aren't as tolerant of snakes as the local people, I suspect.

I'd like to delve into the state of this species in S. TX...but...damn if I can find anything on it.

This is a species in need of evaluation now, IMHO. The same can be said for the TX tortoise.

IMO, the short answer is, they are OK in about 2/3 of SoTex, and in real trouble in the other areas. The northern parts of the range are being wiped out by development and the sprawl of San Antonio. The populations in the lower valley are in a desperate fight for their lives. Across the border, errebennus is being wiped out by overgrazing, farming, and probably being killed and eaten as well. Hopefully the Tamaulipan thorn scrub can harbor a few populations, but whereever there is any water (even a stock tank), band land practices will probably really hit hard.

I imagine that the brushland and cattle lands of South central Texas are where this species will make its last stronghold.

But at least it isn't being wiped out by some idiots wearing mouse ears, like its sister species!

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Chris Harrison

...he was beginning to realize he was the creature of a god that appreciated the discomfort of his worshippers - W. Somerset Maugham

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