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My Guess On Making Blue Albinos....

LeosAnonymous Oct 23, 2003 04:46 PM

**This picture is NOT mine, it is linked from leopardgecko.com**

I linked a picture from Trempers site of Moose. You can see that his bands are light blue.

Through selective breeding I would imagine you could increase the amount of blue your albinos retain. The equivalent of a melanistic albino.

Tremper says that the blue albinos will be completely light blue with no pattern, sounds about right to me.

What do you guys think?
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StarGecko Oct 23, 2003 04:59 PM

Well many people consider that color trempers get to be pink, but it can have a lavender or blueish look to it. But you could just as easily call a gecko that was all that color an all-pink gecko as an all blue one.
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LeosAnonymous Oct 23, 2003 05:12 PM

That color in the picture clearly looks light blue to me, but hey I'm a guy, so I might be a little color blind... I'm probably wrong with my guess, but it's the best thing I've been able to come up with so far.

Maybe we should just ask Tremper... I'm sure he wouldn't mind telling us, lol!
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LeosAnonymous Oct 23, 2003 05:13 PM

>>That color in the picture clearly looks light blue to me, but hey I'm a guy, so I might be a little color blind... I'm probably wrong with my guess, but it's the best thing I've been able to come up with so far.
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>>Maybe we should just ask Tremper... I'm sure he wouldn't mind telling us, lol!
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StarGecko Oct 23, 2003 05:19 PM

Then I have a whole bunch of amazing new blue and orange morph geckos I can sell you for the bargain price of $1,500 each!
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LeosAnonymous Oct 23, 2003 05:27 PM

Yeah, yeah, yeah...

I realize you were just trying to crack a joke, but think about a totally "melanistic" albino and tell me what you would say to describe it.
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StarGecko Oct 23, 2003 05:35 PM

is what I would say. But you are right the pink can look lavender or even bluish in some lights.
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LeosAnonymous Oct 23, 2003 05:38 PM

The pictures you post honestly don't look pink to me... I'm starting to get worried here, lol! Even if most are pinkish, as long as there is some blue, I think you could breed for it.

Anyways, it's just a silly shot in the dark that popped into my head.
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roi3in Oct 24, 2003 03:01 AM

if so it wpouldnt be a true albino however a T positive would be the closest thing to al melanistic albino i can think od, which is what tremper albinos are... minus the temp manipulation.... true trempers are brown/maroon and sometimes a yucky light tanand pink
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StarGecko Oct 24, 2003 10:06 AM

a melanistic gecko expressed as an albino. You are right that the gecko itself would not look at all melanistic, but in albinos the pink areas replaces the black. So the idea would be if you had an all "melanistic" albino it would be all white with no yellow/orange.
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c_ellenzweig Oct 24, 2003 01:21 PM

np.

StarGecko Oct 23, 2003 05:32 PM

This picture is not altered in any way (really. it isn't)
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LeosAnonymous Oct 23, 2003 05:35 PM

Now let's say you breed for the blue, not the orange... what would you get after several generations?

The first tangerines didn't start out with the red/orange colors we see today... it is the result of many generations of line breeding.

Why should this be any different?
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StarGecko Oct 23, 2003 05:41 PM

that although there can be a lavender or even bluish cast to the pink, most people consider albinos to be pink. People don't currently call the pink on albinos blue. To say you are creating an an all-blue imnplies to me something different than what people are know referring to as pink. While I think an all-pink/whatever-you want-to-call-it gecko would be very cool, I think it would be misleading to call it an all blue gecko.

If that's "all" Ron means with this, well I'll feel a bit cheated.
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LeosAnonymous Oct 23, 2003 05:45 PM

Your probably right...

It's just that when I was looking through his "future projects" section I noticed that he also has "all black" leopard geckos listed.

I was just thinking that if he found some way to get all black leopard geckos then maybe the albino form of the all black geckos is this "light blue" albino?

Time will tell I guess... can't wait to see them either way.
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StarGecko Oct 23, 2003 06:04 PM

However my speculation was that he is using a different gene that albinism to create the blue appearance, something that would look truly new...the patternless gene. If a patternless exhibits the all over body color, but paler, that the het parents gave it, a melanistic patternless might just look blue. Maybe....
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LeosAnonymous Oct 23, 2003 07:00 PM

Never thought about the patternless... another possibility to consider for sure.
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StarGecko Oct 23, 2003 07:39 PM

Not only that, I know Roon has been working with that gene. My foundation male may have been the only het patternless he's sold yet, at least that I've seen. When I asked him if I could get a female het patt. he said he wasn't releasing any hets or patt. albinos til next yer, and this was last year and they never came...so what is he up to? Hmmmm. My male het patt I got from him is also hypo, which makes me think he's been experimenting with how melanism/hypomelanism impacts patternless expression. Or maybe I'm reading way to much into it. We will see, eventually.
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iluvblackfrancis Oct 23, 2003 10:18 PM

There is somewhere on his site, I'm not sure exactly where, I didn't check before I posted, that says that he is going to use the "lavender" albino (the one with purple eyes), and a red albino to make the blue. His reasoning is that since red blue = purple, he can make blue. I don't understand that. I can see how maybe they eyes would be blue (VERY COOL!), but not how the body would be blue. I agree with Stargecko however, I don't see blue in the gecko unless I'm looking, which then, is just my mind. they look lavender, or pink, if they look a color. mine that are incubated with TCD look white.
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roi3in Oct 24, 2003 02:51 AM

what is the difference between ron selectively breeding for a blueish gecko (which is achieved by hisincubation techniques and your tang/whhite albinos incubated in the same fashion. both are not a true genetic anomoly and as you would feel cheated by ron, i would feel cheated buying an animal incubated like this because it does not show true genetic potential.
its kinda like the pot calling the kettle black
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StarGecko Oct 24, 2003 11:49 AM

I don't use Ron's incubation method to control color in my geckos. Please refrain from making accusations and insults based on things that aren't even true. It's really quite offensive.
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c_ellenzweig Oct 24, 2003 12:25 PM

What's wrong with Tremper's method on incubation? There's nothing "artificial" about it. He's just perfected the incubation of leo eggs. His method allows the gecko to display it's potential.

Rob Jenkins Oct 24, 2003 05:04 PM

>>What's wrong with Tremper's method on incubation? There's nothing "artificial" about it. He's just perfected the incubation of leo eggs. His method allows the gecko to display it's potential.

You're right, that gecko will reach its own potential, which is great, as long as people don't expect it to result in similar looking babies. If you charge a premium for the gecko, people buying it hopefully know it's because of the way it looks, not necessarily its genetic background. From what I understand and can assume, the incubation will not alter its genetic makeup.

I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but I sure would like to know if that method was used to incubate any geckos I was planning on purchasing. I believe it has caused many people (even on this forum) to hatch deformed babies this year as well.
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roi3in Oct 25, 2003 12:11 AM

it may have been ruse however i remember a thread a while back maybe a tear ago???? i cant exactly remember saying you were incubating your albinos using this method., if i can find the thread ill post a link if not i'll appologize now
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stargecko Oct 26, 2003 12:53 PM

Look Robin, I don't know WHAT your problem is or have any explanation of why you would choose to concoct untruths and more untruths, but this is really inexcusable. Instead of apologizing, you are commiting more violations of the TOS? So now you are calling me a liar? I did not make any such post because I donh't incubate my geckos that way. Perhaps you are recalling someone else or perhaps you are just trying to SLANDER me. This is against the rules of posting on this forum and of COMMON DECENCY. Cease and desist.
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roi3in Oct 27, 2003 02:53 AM

and i got you mixed up. i appologize and am very sorry for my comments to you-robin
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StarGecko Oct 23, 2003 11:05 PM

" * Blue Albinos........by late 2003 I will have the first patternless light blue albinos with red eyes. These will be highly sought after. "

So one would think these are patternless albinos, maybe bred for melanistic so they look blue or maybe it is just the tremper lavender color- if you looks at the carrot head giant post he says they will have orange marbling over a light blue body, which indicates he is calling that pink/lavender color "blue". Again, I think that's a stretch.
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c_ellenzweig Oct 24, 2003 08:42 AM

I've read that he got the blue from working with a leo that had purple eyes. (I've seen a pic & they're VERY purple) We know that leos carry red pigment. In order to make purple, there must be blue. (It makes sense to me, but I may be wrong) I guess we'll have to wait and see what Ron produces. I haven't beed disappointed yet.

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