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pacman only wants frogs

beefkake7 Oct 23, 2003 06:07 PM

ive had my pacman for aout 2 weeks now and well the first day i got him as a test i put another smaller frog in the tank an he ate the smaller frog. well now i think he wont eat anything else. One of the guys here told me that this would happen, but i want to know how i can break him of it. i put 2 superworms in his tank today after i switched his substrate to bed a beast. I just want to know if he gets hungry enough will he go after the insects. if not should i just keep feeding him worms.

i was also wondering what the silver coating is that pacmans get on their skin mine got it just for a day right on top of his eys, but i have seen one with half of it's body covered.

thanks

Replies (26)

spydergirl Oct 23, 2003 06:10 PM

first off, if you knew this would happen why would you even bother putting the smaller frog in there? second, i have a horned frog and when i got him his former owner fed him nothing but pinkies. i dont want to feed him pinkies so i kept him strictly on crickets,and after awhile he ate them.so wean him off of frogs. the silvr coating is okay,its only because the frog is shedding. soak it in some water or aquirt him down real way and he should wipeit off fine.

snakeguy88 Oct 23, 2003 09:39 PM

I don't see why frogs were even an option. If you had thought it out, you would have maybe thought of the point that frogs have INTESTINAL parasites. There are other feeder items besides superworms too. There are crickets, nightcrawlers, cockroaches, ect. Maybe the frog doesn't recognize one feeder item. Try another. And it might be a smart idea to get him tested for parasites soon. Andy
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Andy Maddox
Houston Herp Key
The Reptizone

Burgundy baby, With your blue eyed soul, You play the hits and I'm on that roll, Capricorn sister, Freddie Mercury, Jupiter Child cry

buffysmom Oct 23, 2003 11:25 PM

I agree, why would you feed it another frog? That's like feeding a pet to your pet. Yuck! Perhaps he just doesn't like superworms. I have one frog that won't touch nightcrawlers & another that loves them. Try something else.
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ginevive Oct 24, 2003 06:39 AM

I would definately take the frog to the vet's, bringing a fecal sample, to see if it has gotten parasites from the other frog. I would never recommend feeding frogs, not only for parasie reasons, but because their numbers in the wild are so fragile. Your frog will take crickets when he is hungry enough; probably it's too full from its last meal to think about eating yet.
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beefkake7 Oct 24, 2003 03:11 PM

so if the vet says he does parasites then what can i do
?

thanks

snakeguy88 Oct 24, 2003 05:29 PM

Leave the frog with the vet and let the vet administer panacur or flagyl for a week. Not easy to do by yourself, but you could get the vet to show you how to do it. Andy
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Andy Maddox
Houston Herp Key
The Reptizone

Burgundy baby, With your blue eyed soul, You play the hits and I'm on that roll, Capricorn sister, Freddie Mercury, Jupiter Child cry

jusmebabe Oct 24, 2003 05:37 PM

This guy is obviously young. So why does anyone think he is going to take his frog to the vet (cost) and then have them administer meds (cost).
Keep your frog in the what ever cage you have it in. He will soon become a meal for his next herp and then he will be in another forum asking why his snake wont eat anything besides pac man frogs...

beefkake7 Oct 25, 2003 12:23 AM

so i guess then the damn frog is just going to die if i dont take it to the vet, is there a chance that maybe the other frogs didnt have parasites?

and just how old are u mister frog scientist, i mean its not like im some kind professional frog sitter like you! im sorry i dont know everything and im 20 ass, and i can afford a trip to the vet and meds thanks very much!!

Slickale Oct 25, 2003 01:22 AM

What would you do if your frog did die?

EllasMommie Oct 25, 2003 09:30 AM

There is always a chance that there aren't any parasites involved, but it'as best to visit the vet for a fecal test just in case. That way it can be completely ruled out.

If parasites are found, then your vet can tell you what needs, or should be done from there.

In the mean time, start offering just crickets. Once the frog gets hungry enough he'll eat them. He won't starve himself so no worries. I'm sure he hasn't accepted anything else since the frog meal because he's still full. Give him a couple days and just try again. Don't leave the uneaten crickets in the tank with him though. They tend to either pester the frog and cause stress, or die and cause a breeding ground for bacteria.

Until you can get him into a vet I would suggest setting him up in a very simple tank... a moist paper towel substrate and a bare tank other than perhaps some crinkled up or ripped up damp paper towel for him to hide under. This way you can watch him better and be able to check for "poo". It also doesn't give the crickets any place to hide so you can see when he does eat again and keep track of how much he's eating.

Once you get him to the vet and tested and everything is good, then you can set him back up in his regular enviroment.

Just avoid feeding him frogs in the future, give him a good calcium and vitamin suppliment on about every 3rd or 4th feeding, provide him with a clean enviroment and fresh water and you should have a happy healthy froggie for a long time!!

Good luck!! And I hope that everything works out for you and your little buddy!
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Heather

beefkake7 Oct 25, 2003 11:22 AM

alright thanks i reall appreciate it!

ellasmommie Oct 25, 2003 11:29 AM

Not a problem at all. And be sure to update us on the situation. I, for one, would like to know how things turn out for ya!!!
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Heather

jusmebabe Oct 25, 2003 02:13 PM

Funny how i'm the a$$ but your the one feeding one frog to another then wondering why he won't eat anything else lol..
Wow, your a big 20 years old and cussing and gettting upset like a toddler..
You don't have to be a frog expert to have common sense..
Having the money to take an animal to the vet is one thing, havng the sense to actually do it is another..
Like i said if worse comes to worse just feed it to another herp and then you can save on food bill..

ellasmommie Oct 25, 2003 03:24 PM

Ok, let's not start with a name-calling battle again here. At least he came here to get advice rather than continue feeding the same way.

As it has been said many times before on this forum... most of us started off with little knowledge of this hobby. Thanks to this forum and others like it, we have all gained the knowlwdge and information we have needed to keep happy healthy herps. Let's not get sidetracked and start bickering.

Please?

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Heather

CokeOfMan Oct 25, 2003 04:22 PM

Oops, I kinda said it was ok to feed your Pacman other frogs :/.
I didn't really think about that the frogs came from outdoors.
Anyway, sorry mate and good luck with your frog!
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CokeOfMan

needaurita Oct 25, 2003 07:24 PM

I would just like to add that I was disappointed regarding how many people just said "Why did you do that? Didn't you know you weren't supposed to feed him frogs?". He asked for advice, not to be mocked by people who have more knowledge on a subject than he does. Try to give him advice or positive thoughts only, otherwise don't post at all.

I hope your frog doesn't have parasites beef, I would recommend (as others did before me) to make a visit to the vet. Good luck and take care!

jusmebabe Oct 25, 2003 10:41 PM

First your not the one to tell people when to post and when not to.
Secondly, out of his own mouth he was testing which makes no since. The slightest research will tell you horned frogs and African bullfrogs will eat anything that will fit into their mouths.
Lastly, if you post things that are easily researched (being 20 he should know what research is) be prepared for what others say.
Being positive is not always what you get. Negative feedback is also warranted and good.
By the way, take a fecal sample to the vet not the frog, they can't tell you if it has parasites or what type from looking at the frog..
Food for thought...

needaurita Oct 25, 2003 11:46 PM

First off, I believe I AM the one to tell or advise others when to post and not to as I clearly am more manner-oriented then some on these boards. I would never blame someone for not researching something - If you have such a large distaste for it, maybe you should consider the fact that you may have done the same mistake before? I find the things that we have the biggest problems with are often things we find/have found ourselves doing. For example I have been rude to people before, which is why I was upset about your posts. It reminds me of the previous errors in my ways.

I am sure "Negative feedback" is warrented and good when you are the one dishing it out am I right? Please do not insult my intelligence when you say you wouldn't backlash out at someone who was as rude to you as you were to beef. I think -no wait I know- that you would.

As for the frog being tested for parasites, since you apparently nit-picked my post so you could put me down, I made an honest mistake (which I am sure you never do right?). Take in the fecal sample, take in the frog, whatever you need to do in order to ensure its survival.

I await your justification.

jusmebabe Oct 26, 2003 12:11 PM

It doesn't matter if your "manner oriented". If your skin is that thin maybe choose your words better (refering to beefcake) when you say i was testing something.
If i posted something that i should've researched first, not at all. I don't get mad at being ridiculed for telling me something so basic as what to feed.
If i insult your intelligence that's for you to deal with as i'm not concerned with your intelligence or lack there of (i don't know you).
"I wouldn't blame someone for not doing research"???? What is the first thing you do before aquiring a new pet?
Have i made mistakes in care, housing, and feeding of herps, believe it or not i haven't. I watched others and asked questions before aquiring anything (just made sense). So for that arguement nothing to discuss.
Please point out where i called him an a$$ exactly i didn't.

You said i nit-picked your post so i could put you down, no i read it so i could respond accurately like anyone should do. It's not about me it's not about you.
I said take a fecal sample as that's what they will look at. If your pet has a visual flaw that would be soemthing they could offer an opinion on. If my pointing that out makes you sensitive and me insensitive so be it.
You await my justification lol, nothing i say or do will ever require me to justify my actions to you (and you are?).
This whole comedy was about the frog and if my being insensitive helps to insure that the next person does basic research, then who wins and stays alive for at least another day?
If i hurt anyones sensitive side get thicker skin..

"MY END"

beefkake7 Oct 26, 2003 12:56 AM

SEE THATS WHAT IM TALKIN ABOUT THANKS , I REALLY APPRECIATE IT IF I KNEW WHY I WASNT SUPPOSED TO OR IF IT WOULD HURT BEEFCAKE I WOULDN'T HAVE ASKED...its not like i bought this frog and poisioned him just to seee i didnt know, and since these frogs come from south america i figured they could deal with just a little frog from the good ole usa

thanks help is much appreciated!!

beefkake7 Oct 26, 2003 12:53 AM

its all good man i mean i was just experimenting with the frog and when i went to the forum i had already fed him a frog so there was nothing i could do>

no harm thanks!!

snakeguy88 Oct 25, 2003 11:03 PM

Are you more dense than he is? Part of having a pet is taking it to the vet. I started keeping herps when I was little. If I could not cough up the money to take it to the vet, my parents would and I would work it off. If you lack the funds, then you shouldn't have the pet. End of story. So I won't back off or let down. I am only 17 myself. I have been on these forums for years. And I have never heard something as irresponsible as saying it is, to paraphrase, perfectly "ok" to excuse someone from providing the proper care and requirements because of their age. Ridiculous.
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Andy Maddox
Houston Herp Key
The Reptizone

Burgundy baby, With your blue eyed soul, You play the hits and I'm on that roll, Capricorn sister, Freddie Mercury, Jupiter Child cry

snakeguy88 Oct 25, 2003 11:06 PM

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Andy Maddox
Houston Herp Key
The Reptizone

Burgundy baby, With your blue eyed soul, You play the hits and I'm on that roll, Capricorn sister, Freddie Mercury, Jupiter Child cry

Colchicine Oct 29, 2003 08:00 AM

Remember that ANY live foods can transmit intestinal parasites, even in vertebrates.
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snakeguy88 Oct 29, 2003 09:25 PM

True. But my personal bet would be that frogs, especially ones that are very likely wild caught, are loaded with more than say for our purposes, a cricket. Def. anything can have parasites and it is always better to get fecal examinations done regularly, but feeding live frogs and fish is just asking for trouble, IMHO. Andy
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Andy Maddox
Houston Herp Key
The Reptizone

Burgundy baby, With your blue eyed soul, You play the hits and I'm on that roll, Capricorn sister, Freddie Mercury, Jupiter Child cry

tommot Nov 11, 2003 10:59 AM

WHY THE **** WOULD YOU FEED IT FROGS!!!!! THE FROGS YOU FEED THEM MIGHT HAVE BUGS OR ORTHER FUNKY STUFF!!!!! IF YOU WANT TO FEED IT SOMETHING LIKE A FRONG USE PINKIES!!!!!!! dumb a$$

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