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He is about 4-4.5 ft in length. I know its a male but that is about the extent of my knowledge on this animal. Would like to know the exact type of carpet if any of the experts could help me.
Thanks,
Kuz

That's a very nice 50/50 carpet. As for what it is, it looks like a jungle to me, but it could easily be a cross. It might have some IJ or coastal in it. Without knowing that snake's history, you can't really be sure what it is.

Jake

I purchased it from a person here on kingsnake who was unsure exactly what it was, and I am not sure where he got it from.
You don't think anyone will be able to tell if its a cross or not? Maybe if I took some more pictures and posted them?

Thanks,
Kuz

is that theyre so variable even within the same subspecies that exact identification without specific founder locality is almost enough to drive alot of people insane. the other problem with carpets is that even tho there are a few subspecies many of those are very hard to differentiate. now, heres where the confusion starts...most carpets in this country came in before there was so many subspecies, most came in when there were only 2, diamonds and carpet pythons (spilota and variegata respectively, alot of those probably came in with sketchy import data at best, tho im sure a few came in with great collection data. this lead to alot of hybridization among recently named subspecies...leading to more confusion. sure we do have pure jungle carpets and pure coastal carpets, even some with pretty decent locality and collection data, alot of these started off as smuggled animals that were then siezed and put into the hands of zoos and possibly private collectors, but this is not the norm and actually quite uncommon. so in all, carpets can be at best hard to differentiate. that said, i agree with jake, it LOOKS like a jungle to me. this is MY OPINION and nothing more, it is not a positive id, it is not gospel, it is not the word of god! i also dont have the snake in my hands to look closer. for purposes of breeding any offspring you produce (and sell) should be labled "unknown carpet liniage x whatever you breed it with"..but who knows, in 5 years we may not have the same number of carpet species/subspecies, and more so, alot of people feel that a carpet is a carpet is a carpet and that they are all the same species. staying current in this hobby is only one small part of the fun, but personally nothing beats keeping these great animals!

J
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Jaymz
"got a bowlin ball in my stomache, got a desert in my mouth. figures that my courage would choose to sell out now..."

Iran Jaya Carpet python.

Too much bronze for a JCP and the saddles are too uniform for a JCP or Carpet. Plus the head is too wide for JCP.

my 2 cents...

But I'd have to disagree with your IJ assertion--especially for the reasons you've stated. Its pattern is definitely not normal. However, I've seen many jungles with this type of patterning. They're called 50/50s--they have much more yellow area than normal jungles. If you look at the animal's head, you can tell that it too has much more yellow pattern than a normal jungle does as well. As for the color, many jungles have that bronze color to them. They aren't all an electric yellow. In fact, the majority of 50/50s around today have this very same coloration. Lastly, about the head being too blocky or wide, I've seen many pure jungles with heads that are much bigger than this specimen's. As a matter of fact, I've never noticed IJs to have wider heads than jungles.

Jake

>>But I'd have to disagree with your IJ assertion--especially for the reasons you've stated. Its pattern is definitely not normal. However, I've seen many jungles with this type of patterning. They're called 50/50s--they have much more yellow area than normal jungles. If you look at the animal's head, you can tell that it too has much more yellow pattern than a normal jungle does as well. As for the color, many jungles have that bronze color to them. They aren't all an electric yellow. In fact, the majority of 50/50s around today have this very same coloration. Lastly, about the head being too blocky or wide, I've seen many pure jungles with heads that are much bigger than this specimen's. As a matter of fact, I've never noticed IJs to have wider heads than jungles.
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>>Jake
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Jim Kuroski

I'd stab at jungle X costal. Mainly because the body and head shape looks a lot like a costal and the pattern would not be out of place on one either. To me the color suggests that there is defiantly some jungle in there too.

Hope I didn't miss the boat on this one...

Chris.

honestly i whole heartedly agree with the jcp assesment-- that animal is definatley not a ij, firt of all there is no color gradient in the saddles of that snake--it is very jungle in the fact that the saddles are one solid color-- secondly that animal has certain scales with light color comming through--very characteristic of a jungle and as far as the head size i've seen a smattering of different animals all with different head sizes, from my experience that has not been a decernable point of identification--it would also help if you posted a pic of its belly-- hope this helps