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Brumation Question for warmer temp brumations...

johne Oct 26, 2003 02:33 PM

When you allow your lizards to go under naturally within their environment, do you not have to ensure complet gastric emptying? I'm wondering if you end up shutting off all lights, will they still be able to pass any digested food? I've considered doing this method this year, but always find that only one or two lizards in one enclosure will start to go under...I can't shut off the lights when my other lizards are obviously still eating, etc. Is 70 F still adequate for them to come out and defecate?

I'm very curious if this is a concern or not. Thanks!

John

Replies (8)

eve Oct 26, 2003 03:02 PM

Hey Johneee, there were times Zuni even got up (last year) got a drink sat on his basking rock (which was not as warm like normal and then , went back to bed. I dont think I would continue to throw food in though. If you have low temps they won't digest properly. Zuni is sleeping now fora week with temps at 75 higher. No lights just warmth from all the other lights in the room. But hes sleeping just the same.

JIM240 Oct 26, 2003 06:18 PM

Hey John and Eve, I have the same questions about gastric emptying, This is my frist time and warmer temp brumation looks like the way to go (safer), John as far as shutting the lights off you can get another enclosure for either the sleeping or eating lizards, I got a couple of BIG tupperware from staples ($7.50) cut the top and hot glue screen on, I keep crickets in one and it's good to have an extra for a sick bay or when kane gets too horny and starts biting necks in he go's anyway it's good to have and cheap. Eve you can probably get a deal on a dozen LOL, Did you stop feeding zuni a couple days before turning off the lights ? or did he go to sleep with the lights on ? - Jim

eve Oct 26, 2003 07:44 PM

of lizards, LMAO Hey Jim, as for your question, Zuni went to sleep with the lights on for a couple of days , and had slowed in eating anyway, so I waited a couple more days and turned the heat off, but left the uvb strip light on. Just turned that off also, today ! But the temp in his tank still read about 80 degrees at 6 tonight, becuase of all the other tanks and lights on in there. But like I say it did not stop him from brumating.
Did the same thing last year and he was very, very FIRED UP this spring, so the warmer temps did not hurt his brumating or breeding, LOL. Eve

wwwwwells Oct 26, 2003 09:54 PM

I use those plastic tubs also. I cut out the top and all 4 sides and hot glue screen to it and they make a cheap, lightwieght sun cages.

wwwwwells Oct 26, 2003 09:45 PM

I have several lizards under the rocks in their cages and it's still in the high 80's to 90's in the "lizard room". I not sure if they emptied their stomachs before going under for good but they haven't been out to poop since going under. I have had them poop in the cooler during brumation after 2 weeks of no food before going under. A Crotaphytus friend of mine(not Brock)
told me he was on some wierd diet where he didn't eat anything and that he still pooped so he figured that the lizards could still poop body waste during brumation. Not sure if that answered the question.

Johne Oct 27, 2003 09:42 AM

ha, ha

Brockn Oct 28, 2003 01:10 AM

I myself have never gone too far out of my way to ensure that the digestive tracts of my Crotaphytus are completely empty prior to brumation. One reason for this is that I basically allow the lizards to set their own brumation schedules. What I invariably see with most of my healthy captive collareds in late summer/early fall is, initially, a gradual but consistent reduction in the length of their daily activity. This generally coincides with a reduction in feeding (of the lizard's choice), which can range from very slight to extreme. During this time I make very minor, if any, adjustments to the lighting/heat photoperiod in the enclosures. Brumation begins "officially" for one of my lizards when it decides to enclose itself in one of the hidespots, sealing the entrance, and remain there indefinitely. Of course, getting all the lizards in the same enclosure to set their "brumation clocks" for roughly the same time is a virtual impossibility. To help facilitate this, I will sometimes "coax" reluctant cagemates to seek shelter for the winter by shutting off the lights early for several days in a row. Using large enclosures and providing multiple hidespots definitely helps in this regard. By the way, I would NOT recommend allowing weak, underweight, or injured collared lizards to brumate on their own, or at all, until regaining strength and building up noticeable "fat" reserves. As for the food issue, I can't recall ever losing one of my collared lizards during or post-brumation as a result of undigested or partially digested matter in their systems. I believe I have read/heard somewhere that complete emptying of the gastric/digestive tract prior to a brumation period is perhaps of more vital importance to herbivorous lizards than it is for some of the meat-eaters...has anyone else heard mention of this?

Brock

Johne Oct 28, 2003 08:31 AM

people on the chuck forum have stongly suggested the importance of the gastric emptying in the chucks and desert igs. I believe dvl has dissected some of his that have died mysteriously, and they have still had full guts, or partial full.

Thanks for you input.

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