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About "fat" monitors.

FR Oct 26, 2003 03:42 PM

First, I find that most new keepers, defend their "fat" monitors, as being healthy. I bring this up first, as it may not need defending.

Like I said down below, its always a battle between a monitor being "fat" and progressing and healthy.

A "fat" monitor does not mean its unhealthy or sick. It only means that its fat. Dang how silly is that. Indeed, the events that allowed the monitor to get fat may lead to a sick and unhealthy monitor later, unless changed.

Indeed, fat monitors are more prone to disease and early death. I believe that the same with most living animals in captive care, including us.

With young monitors, Fat is a sign the conditions are totally wrong. Young reptiles grow long and skinny, until they mature, then they bulk out. Again, I believe that is very normal in the animal world. Getting fat when young means that animal is not metabolizing its food. Its storing it as fat, instead of using it as growth. Its simple, ABC's, there is no magic to that. If your young monitor is growing fast and still getting fat, man thats a simple one, YOUR feeding it too much.

Why many of you feed so much is beyond me. I often think its broken into two basic groups. The competitors, who want to outgrow and outproduce others. And the Motherer's, those who just have to feed something thats hungry. In truth, you can do whatever blows your hindend coverings up, but you really should understand what a fat monitor looks like.

You will often hear Field people, say things to the effect that in nature, you do not see monitors(specially Savs) anything close to the ones in captivity. In nature, you do see really healthy thicktailed, strong monitors, but you do not see basketballs with legs. Ones with big round bellies and skinny legs, tail and neck. In fact, they are much the opposite, thick neck, legs, tail and slim waist.(you know, Golds gym monitors)

Again, you can do anything you want, but please take a look at the pic of a normal(weight) monitor's fat bodies that RobertB posted below. Under the Sweetpea thread. Or Robert can post it again if he wishes. Good luck, F

Replies (8)

crocdoc2 Oct 26, 2003 04:45 PM

a few months ago I was chatting to a couple of people about this forum and I commented that the one thing I don't think I have ever seen in any photo on this forum is a lateral fold.

rsg Oct 26, 2003 08:39 PM

I think it is directly related to cage design.
Personally, I worry more about a monitor that basks at the highest temperature in the cage everyday more than the monitor that hides in the cool part of the cage.
I know for a fact that young monitors can be raised to adult size and lay healthy eggs in less than a year without being fed everyday.
I also know that a monitor can go more than two weeks without being fed, if they can get away from the heat.

JimM Oct 27, 2003 04:22 PM

2 weeks is a short time, they can go for MUCH longer. Mine just came off of a 4 week stint without eating due to a drop in temps. I had them pretty much down for the winter, although a 150 watt bulb has been on full time on one end of their indoor enclosure. They haven't been basking at all though - they KNOW when fall is here. Anyway, we've had a late season warming trend so I went ahead and put them back outside for a few days and fed them. Their weight was fine when I pulled them out, and they probably could have gone another 4 weeks before I would have had to drop the temps a bit more to stabilize them.
I'm not comfortable cooling them enough to take them completely off feed for 4 or 5 months - although I know I could. I keep them just warm enough to accept a meal every two weeks or so.
Then in May it's back outside, and back to feeding every other day or so intil October rolls around again.

Varanids can for for months without eating when they cool down. 2 weeks is insignificant really.

Best regards
Jim

rsg Oct 27, 2003 04:44 PM

Yes, you are right.
I was directing that to the members of the forum who think their monitors need to eat everyday.
I keep tegu's in addition to monitors. I haven't fed them since early Oct and probably won't until March or April.
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JimM Oct 27, 2003 05:29 PM

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SRX Oct 26, 2003 09:43 PM

np

RobertBushner Oct 27, 2003 12:23 AM

is how females seem to be different in how they store/use fat for reproduction.

She was fairly thick when she died, but not near as fat as I've seen here. I'm still not sure what a normal female should look like, mine are always a bit more 'full' than the males.

--Robert

bengalensis Oct 27, 2003 01:38 PM

Thats a trait pretty consistant in female vs. male specimans... extra fat stores for reproduction.

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