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Hi All,
This is a picture of one of the fader girls out cruising while I was doing some cleaning. Both of the females and the male show some very distinct differences which are leading me to believe that the "fader" group that I have could very easily all be from different genes. The male has bred a normal albino and she is due to lay eggs around the middle of June. These babies would, of course, have to be raised up and bred back to their daddy in order to prove him as a genetic morph. Time will tell.

Pictures of the other "faders" are on the gallery under username "tomsburms".

Thanks,
Tom

Could you give us some background on the fader burms? Thanks

The animals in the 1.2 group that I own were all originally imported. It is my understanding that they were all imported at different times and are not clutch mates. The larger female is considerably more mature than the other two and she appears to show a much more individual look. I don't believe that by breeding the male to her and getting all "normal" looking babies would prove this to be a non-genetic trait. I think that each of these animals could have their own bloodline and breeding them together would only produce normal looking "double-hets". The "fading" that these animals exhibit must be a very gradual process. I have had the animals for about 6-7 months and each has shed either 3 or 4 times, during this time the patterns do not appear to have faded at all but they remain more of a washed-out, low contrast, golden color. I will continue to post new pics from time to time. I am excited about the male fader breeding with a normal albino female. I hope this helps shed some light on the "faders".

Tom

I was under the impression that bob clark has been breeding faders for years?

>>The animals in the 1.2 group that I own were all originally imported. It is my understanding that they were all imported at different times and are not clutch mates. The larger female is considerably more mature than the other two and she appears to show a much more individual look. I don't believe that by breeding the male to her and getting all "normal" looking babies would prove this to be a non-genetic trait. I think that each of these animals could have their own bloodline and breeding them together would only produce normal looking "double-hets". The "fading" that these animals exhibit must be a very gradual process. I have had the animals for about 6-7 months and each has shed either 3 or 4 times, during this time the patterns do not appear to have faded at all but they remain more of a washed-out, low contrast, golden color. I will continue to post new pics from time to time. I am excited about the male fader breeding with a normal albino female. I hope this helps shed some light on the "faders".
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>>Tom
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He has bred a fader female with a similar looking male and they produced all normal looking babies. He has never produced a fader baby. To the best of my knowledge, there has never been a CB animal that looks like these. I think that each of the color/pattern genes in the group that I have need to be isolated. I don't think that breeding them together will produce a phenotypically similar offspring, I think when bred together they will produce a normal appearing "double-het". It will take a few more years for me to prove (or be disproven).

Tom

If i remember correctly, all faders start out normal as babies, and between ages 1 and 2, begin to lose pattern. I've seen a few imports throughout the past 4 or 5 years, and remember a couple people like bob clark breeding and producing them. Bob even still has them on his price list, or at least last time I looked. I was under the impression that yes these are rare, but are a proven morph. Good ol Dave Laweson even had some on his website a few years ago posted for sale, prolly brokered from somewhere. Only reason I know these things is because the Fader burms are my fav morph. LOL. Have always had a keen interest in them.

>>He has bred a fader female with a similar looking male and they produced all normal looking babies. He has never produced a fader baby. To the best of my knowledge, there has never been a CB animal that looks like these. I think that each of the color/pattern genes in the group that I have need to be isolated. I don't think that breeding them together will produce a phenotypically similar offspring, I think when bred together they will produce a normal appearing "double-het". It will take a few more years for me to prove (or be disproven).
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>>Tom
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"And here I walk above ground, in a coffin made of flesh.."

I never saw the ones that Lawson had a while back but I heard about them. I'm not sure what happened to those. Bob removed the faders from his price list some time ago and I ended up with his adult group. He still has them listed on his website as a morph of the burm but he no longer has them on his actual price list. I think it's possible that this type of burm has been imported at different stages and people have speculated about their fading as they get older; I really don't know for sure. I ewould be interested to find someone who has watched this type of burm as they mature. I will have these animals for a long time and will be able to see what happens. I have made this my main project.

Tom

Its been quite a while since I looked at bob's site, I just remembered what i saw/read a while ago. Lawson was a broker, and generally never actually had the animals on his person so to speak, so who knows what happened to them. Probably were never actually imported because of the price he was asking. But thats definatly cool that you ended up with Bob's group. I was under the impression that the offspring ended up being faders, but I guess I was wrong. Good luck with those, i'd love to see some fader babies.

>>I never saw the ones that Lawson had a while back but I heard about them. I'm not sure what happened to those. Bob removed the faders from his price list some time ago and I ended up with his adult group. He still has them listed on his website as a morph of the burm but he no longer has them on his actual price list. I think it's possible that this type of burm has been imported at different stages and people have speculated about their fading as they get older; I really don't know for sure. I ewould be interested to find someone who has watched this type of burm as they mature. I will have these animals for a long time and will be able to see what happens. I have made this my main project.
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>>Tom
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"And here I walk above ground, in a coffin made of flesh.."