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ok ive done alot of reading lately on ackies and im positive i want one. Should i get a Red or Yellow one? I heard the reds are a little bit more fiesty but that doesnt bother me much. Just want to hear opinions between the yellows and reds. Price doesnt matter much.

Your dealing with a living animal and it will require lots and lots of work and time. Sometimes you simply do not feel like doing it. At the those times when you would rather be doing something else, you have to "want" to make sure your charges are taken care of. Really if you cannot make up your own mind to pick on out, then you do not want one bad enough. It seems like it would be better for you and for a monitor if you wait until you learn to make your own decisions, after all, it will be your monitor.

Please understand, keeping monitors is mostly making decisions, and if you cannot make the first, simplist one, (what to get), then what makes you think you can make the tough ones? I do not mean to offend you, but I can only hope to prevent an unwanted monitor from being neglected.

Try making a scrap book of different monitors, they are millions of pics you can download on the internet, I am sure after a while, you will decide what YOU want. What you really really want and cannot live without.

My last offensive comment, if others are making you decisions, then they should be keeping your monitors, hahahahahahahahahaha, F

I understand that it is a very bad thing for someone to buy a live animal and then not look after it properly. I have a skink that someone bought without knowing how to care for it and sold to someone else who also didn't know what it needed and who sold it to a friend of mine who gave it to me. Its healthy now but was thin and stressed when I got it. I realise that situations like this must be avoided but I think svt-sinister's question didn't really warrant a lecture about decision making. He or she is trying to make an informed decision as to which animal to buy and has asked those with more experience for their opinions, which I feel is a very sensible thing to do.

Thank you soulskater, that was what i was asking.. I dont no where he got the idea that i didnt wanna take care of it. I have 2 dragons and i know there not monitors but i clean there cage EVERY day. I was only asking OPINIONS!

I have to disagree here. The information out there doesn't give you enough information regarding yellow and red ackies. I have never seen on in real life. I, myself will be acquiring a pair of yellow ackies. I have never seen them, but I have done my research, I have talked to people, and I've made my decision.

I've gone through monitor books and all and based on the ones I have read, there's only a page or two on ackies and there's no differentiation between yellow or red ackies. Even based on pictures I have seen, I am confused. Alot of yellow ackies look red to me.

I guess my point is, I don't think that's a bad question being asked.

Well you are intitled to think what you want.on the otherhand, as a person with lots of experience with both, Red ackies, V.a.acanthurus and Yellow ackies, V.a.brachyurus and Many other types of V.acanthurus, I believe after the basic research that he/she did, the best advice is what I gave him. Remember, I too am intitled to my opinions and the type of advice I give.

I guess its fairly obvious that what I think is important is not what you do. Good Luck F

ps. by the way, wheres your wonderful advice????

Oh cmon man, get over it. You're a monitor breeder, you're not a rocket scientist.
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"The less you breed the more you read"

FR

I wasn't offering any advice, I just thought I'd hop in in defense of sinister as I was going through the same dilemma as he was. Just thought I'd offer my perspective. I, like sinister, have decided on a species of monitor, just not what type.

It's not like he was asking if he should get an ackie or a nile. There seems to only be subtle differences between a yellow or red ackie. Again, I am not a great expert or breeder like you, but that does not make what I say invalid.

On a different note, I do agree with you on your posts about fat monitors, but seeing as that I have no experience, this does not matter to you. I am simply saying that I have nothing against you, even though you seemed rather offended that I disagree with you when it came to inbreeding.

I fail to see how any of this is about agreeing or not agreeing. Isn't it more about different points of view and different experiences.

Whether we agree or not does not matter. What is meaningful, is if one of us offers something useful or thoughtful.

Just for grins and jiggles, I still say the key to keeping monitors if the ability to make decisions, what do you say about that?

I do understand it would be more acceptable if i said, yea yellows ones are cuter, they have cute pointy noses. F

FR, you are right that keeping monitors as with any lizard is about making decisions and I think that your extensive experience could be a very helpful resource for less experienced people trying to reach the best decisions.

But, don't you need input for decision making? Do you only rely on your own observations or also on others (I know you read the research papers, so the question is rhetorical). He needs more input to make the decision, that's all.

He wants to make an informed decision based on others experience with reds and yellows. Getting others opinions doesn't imply that he wants them to make the decision for him. What the heck is wrong with asking if reds are a bit fiesty (which I find mine to be) compared to yellows. Maybe he should just buy a red and find out haphazardly that it bites and he doesn't like it. Seems to me he is doing his homework to find out as much as he can. You on the other hand seem to have your head up your butt and just randomly throw out FR "witticisms".

Oh and btw, I think he already knew he was buying a live animal.

Regards,
John

ps. Flame away...I can ignore you with the best of them

It seems like everybody else got the message but you FR. I just think your to quick to flame someone.

I do not think its a flame to offer advice. But you can be flamed for failing to learn. Also, from above

I fail to see how any of this is about agreeing or not agreeing. Isn't it more about different points of view and different experiences.

Whether we agree or not does not matter. What is meaningful, is if one of us offers something useful or thoughtful, that may lead to bettering our husbandry.

Just for grins and jiggles, I still say the key to keeping monitors if the ability to make decisions, what do you say about that?

I do understand it would be more acceptable if i said, yea yellows ones are cuter, they have cute pointy noses. F

yea yea ok sorry i asked for opinions. im done with this thread

Its not worth it! Besides, I answered nicely!!

Hey, I posted for you over at varanus.nl Im sure youll get some good answers over there.

Take care!

Adios!!!

dear frank:

where do you get off acting and saying things like that? when you began keeping monitors did you know everything? when you began breeding monitors did you know everything? why do you think you still know everything?

its very sad when someone such as you who could potentially be a very valuable resource to a beginning monitor keeper has to come on here with a holier than thou and condescending attitude towards a newbie, when at one time you were a newbie yourself.
no one starts out as an expert. i believe that these forums serve as a very important resource for beginning reptile keepers, because they can potentially recieve a variety of info from many very experienced keepers who use a variety of different methods. its disappointing to hear a very respected and successful monitor keeper and breeder acting the way you do.
it really is useless to say things like this to a person like you because you are as stubborn as a govt mule and it will probably go in one ear and out the other because you are a better breeder and keeper than myself and everyone else that frequents these forums.

Have a wonderful day

Ryan Steele DZ

ok guys so back to my question, red or yellow (OPINIONS) ahha

Sinister,
you have to ignore people sometimes. After you dig through the crap you'll get to the info you want.
Instead of answering the question he likes to respond with convoluted replies. Then his lackeys will come and regurgitate what he says like it was etched in stone..

As for your question, i've had both and no real distictions. I went with yellows as they were easier to come by and didn't see a need to spend 250 more because of the color.
Bottom line you'll enjoy red or yellow ackies..

Yellows range from reddish brown to yellow to black and are a slightly smaller species. Yellows are much less expensive to buy (on occaision they sell for less than $100, versus an average $300 or more per red). The reds stand out to see the 2 definately, even when shedding (or covered in dirt, like they usually are) they are brighter than any yellow. It comes down to what you prefer or how much you can or will spend, my red is a great monitor and full of energy as well as bold.

I wish I had experience with many individuals of both morphs so I could give you a decent answer. Keep in mind though, all monitors are individuals. You can make generalizations, but theres always going to be some that dont "fit" into that desctiption. How bout you get a couple of each, and go from there.
Then when some poor newbee comes along asking about the differences of red n yellow ackies you can begin to give some rough, very general answers.

All the best!
Michelle

try

www.varanus.nl

they tend to be less abrasive