Reptile & Amphibian Forums

Hi,
I just hatched out 2 albino pueblan milks. I purchased 4 sub-adult pueblans from a dealer at the Daytona show a few years ago and bred one pair last year which produced all normal babies. This year I bred the apricot to a normal hoping to get some apricots. Well I DID!!! I got one albino apricot pueblan and one albino normal pueblan and 3 normal sibs!!. Some of the eggs went bad so I have no idea what those were. Has anyone heard of any other albino pueblans out there? I'll try to get some pics up after they shed and eat.
Thanks.

I have never heard of any albino pueblans other than hybrids.If they are the real deal then congrats big time.If you could post pics of the parents that would be really great.

Thanks shannon

I sure hope you have pure campbelli as they are great little tri-colors. I suspect you have pueblans that have albino ruthveni bloodline. If you can trace back their origin, that would be the best way to determine genetics. Time again, another genuine breeder/keeper has mis-represented animals.

A great example in hybridizing here, lets say the fellow did hatch pure amelanistic campbelli, he will forever have to fight/argue till blue in the face that they are in fact pure....

Crotalus, I am not aiming any frustration towards you, I sure hope they are pure, hybridizing is here to stay BUT doesn't mean we need to agree with it, as previously mentioned and discussed many times, the well seasoned herpers need and must educate every new keeper about pros and cons of hybridizing...

If they are pure, please include me on your list...

I'm going to try to get the pics up of the adults tomorrow.
I would appreceate your comments.
Thanks

I propose the question before the pics are posted to see what kind of predictions our minds make. I remember seeing the first albino ruthveni and thinking that albino tricolors should be more brilliant than that.....Then I saw albino nelsoni and I thought THAT is what one should look like.....then the albino honduran....well, to me the pattern still was somewhat "dirty". There have also been other albinos that didnt make it into commercial mainstream like those fantastic albino red milks. Now there are many pics around of albino ruthveni X campbelli(again, no offense to the poster!) and I havent seen one yet that LOOKS like a campbelli. Here is to hoping I see something NEW!! Jeff

yours is a provocative question, jeff, because the people who favor hybrids often claim some babies can't be distinguished from the "real" thing, or -- my favorite -- "after two (or four) generations the babies are pure again". I think the parents' appearance will tell a lot; the appearance of subsequent generations from these albinos bred x each other might be even more revealing.

But the good news is the meristics are significantly diff between campbelli and ruthveni, at least according to Markel. Is that considered a good source for that information? If the scale counts he gives are correct there are any number of differences that could indicate whether the animals are pure. I didn't check the meristics for nelsoni, so i don't know whether there are differences between them and campbelli sufficient for differentiation.

Like you, I hope these babies are pure. Campbelli is a neat animal. There are hypos, of course, this would be a nice addition, would undoubtedly increase the subspecie's well-deserved popularity. And it would be a nice stroke of luck for the breeder--what many people undoubtedly hope for* ! It'll be interesting to see how the story unfolds, pix, etc.

terry
* -- tops on my own "wish list"--the emergence of white-side morphs in triangulum. We've seen it in Pituophis, Elaphe obsolete, L. getulus, seems reasonable to think it might show up in triangulum eventually.

Terry, I think you get my drift without having to resort to bringing hybrids into it,lol. There seems to be a "varying" intensity with each "new" albino morph discovered/uncovered.Just as there is a variety with most morphs(the 2 different types of hypo pyros come to mind),pueblans are NICE looking animals and I really hope that when "pure" morphs are discovered that they exaggerate this.Sometimes morphs can be a little dissapointing in this way...I would have to charecterize the the anery(or hyper-eryth)pyros fall into that catagory...of course thats only my opinion.I understand their relative importance when producing multi-morphs but I still have the pic in my head of a anery ball python for $10K....YUK,LOL,Jeff

albino Pueblans from lines where the normals are high black will not be as stunning. Interesting and pretty, absolutely, but not in-your-face as electrifying as many albino nelsoni are. I only base this on some albino campbelli x ruthveni I have seen, and yes, they looked so much like campbelli that at first glance you wouldn't know.

from top to bottom (if I posted them right) the albino, the apricot mother, the normal male, the apricot baby albino and a normal sibling. The apricot has a dry shed I'll have to work on.
Please let me know what you think.
Thanks

Hi,
I say those look like pure puebs to me. The normal parents look like dirty "normal" puebs, imo. Anyways, what do you other guys think ?, Shannon, I know your a campbells fan. What do you think ?-besides breeding them x a hypo in the future for the hybino project. Maybe ?
Jeff Teel