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substrate WARNING

fifenashia Oct 29, 2003 08:09 AM

To all gecko owners! Today is a sad day, I just buried one of babies. I read a lot about geckos before diving into this, unfortunately all the well intentioned advice did not sink in until today. If you have you geckos on sand Remove them Immediately. I spent the last three weeks watching this innocent creature die because I wanted my cage to be a natural and as pretty as possible, She paid the ultimate price, Upon autopsy, there was so much sand in her intestinal tract that bile was building in other areas, ultimately she appeared to have died from a combination of starvation and septicemia, its hard to tell which one overtook first. I did warm water soaks twice a day, fed her trough a dropper three times a day but the sand was so packed in that food and nutrients as well as waste could not pass. Do not take this lightly, as I did. Do not use calci sand, play sand, silica, or even fine grained sand. When they grab their food thay inadvertently grab sand as well. Up to this point you may have been lucky. Dont risk it, it's not worth it. A healthy reptile is better that a pretty cage.

I'm sorry Star, May you rest in peace.... Thank-you.

Replies (8)

TebbyGecko Oct 29, 2003 09:24 AM

I'm so sorry about your loss... I keep mine on paper towels because I have heard all those horror stories about sand. I would hate to lose my little sweeties... thank you for sharing your story and I know your little Star is resting in peace, knowing that this was a mistake. Unfortunately we usually learn the hard way, believe me.. it's happened to me before.

Take Care,
-Britney

joefro Oct 29, 2003 02:22 PM

Im very sorry to hear about your leo. Im just curious, but did you perform the autopsy yourself or was it a vet? I had a baby die a while ago, and Im pretty sure an impaction may have been the cause. I would love to have known, but I dont have the money to spend on a baby leo postmortem at a vet. When I turned the baby over I could see a small black dot on his stomach, like there was something stuck in there maybe. Back then I was keeping my babies on paper towels, but they had vermiculite moist hides and I think that might have been the cause of the impaction. Since then I took all my leos off of vermiculite and now use terrarium moss instead. They dont like it as much, but they might not know whats best for them Again, sorry to hear about your gecko. It was a lesson learned the hard way ..

Joe

fifenashia Nov 02, 2003 05:34 PM

My husband actually performed the makeshift autopsy, he is a major in Biology and his professor walked him through it. I didnt watch, I personally thought it a bit disrespectful but in order to save the other three that are sick, we needed to know if it was parasitic. I would recomend performing any invasive sugery on a live or dead animal, unless absolutely necessary...

archamedes1 Oct 30, 2003 01:37 AM

I am sorry to hear about your baby. I am curious about the autopsy also. I have a baby leo that is only about two months old and it has that cage carpet in its cage. When I got it his humid hide had vermaculite in it and I noticed his poop also had vermaculite in it and ever since then it has had paper towels in its hide box. The cage carpet isn't as natural as the sand but I think it looks better then paper towels so if you want you can always give that a try for your other babies.

Jessica

x1angelbabyx Oct 30, 2003 10:06 AM

i'm sorry for your loss. it's sad to hear that your little leo died i'm trying to warn as many people as i can who post about sand - but with you saying you didn't take it lightly because you wanted to make your tank look naturalistic makes me hope that the people asking will actually take my advice i wanted mine to look natural too, so i used the brown paper towels... the kind you can find in public restrooms. so it still looks like dirt. also, i hear that the actual natural habitat for leos is rocky land...not sand. which is why a lot of people use slate. what are you going to use as substrate for your next leo?

[aimee]

sorry again for your loss~
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earthpig23 Nov 01, 2003 03:23 PM

I keep mine on a type of critter litter that I got at an herp show. It is almost like very small bits off a wood type substance..I hear about sand impaction all the time will this substate cause a similar thing? If so I'll Switch to Towels as well.
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1.1 Corn snakes (1 Lav & 1 Ghost)
0.0.1 Childrens python
0.1 Brazilian Rainbow boa
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fifenashia Nov 02, 2003 05:36 PM

Possibly, papertowels are the best especially for young ones, I've haerd of the critter litter, but if you watch while they eat, they get substrate in their mouths, so I'm personally sticking to paper towels.

earthpig23 Nov 02, 2003 10:02 PM

Yeah it says that it is digestible made from plants but i am still switching to paper towels...thanx.
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1.1 Leos
1.1 Corn snakes (1 Lav & 1 Ghost)
0.0.1 Childrens python
0.1 Brazilian Rainbow boa
1.0 Rat (as pet not food)
1.0 Cat
"whats with you and all those dang reptiles?"

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