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Hi,
Here are the pics of the albino pueblan. From top to bottom, albino baby, adult female apricot, adult male, albino apricot and normal sibling. The albino apricot has a dry shed I need to work on. Please post comments.
Thanks

i personally think there is some other blood in the mix. the bands don't seem wide enough to me. although i have seen some pueblans without the wide bands. i'm interested to see what everyone else thinks, i might be way off the mark.

well,
Looking at the aduts I would say they look like pure pueblans.
I have worked with hundreds of pueblans over the years and the only thing thats hard to say for sure is if they are het for albino via ruthveni or nelsoni?

I have looked close at some pueblans that were hybrids from steve osborne and its really hard to tell.

Also h-dean has posted lots of pics on the hybrid forum in the past and when there is pueblan involved it seems to mask other sub-species (look wise).

Although the parents look like the real deal I would try really hard to trace them back as far as possible.

They may have been sold to the guy you bought them from as possible hets and maybe the guy you bought them from didn't even know??/
I am just looking at all angles but they do look like the real thing.

The only other way to really tell is to raise up the male albino and breed it to a ruthveni and a nelsoni and that will tell you almost for sure.The chance of it being the same type of albanism is slimmer than the chance of producing one by accident.

Anyways,cool looking snakes.

shannon

Isn't the mutation for amelanism in Cal kings and cornsnakes on the same locus in both species? If this is true as I remember, I would think that the possibility of a pure albino pueblan sharing the same mutation as either nelsoni or ruthveni to be pretty high.

Therefore, I don't think that producing albinos from either of these breedings would necessarily make the snakes hybrids. On the other hand, if no albinos were produced from the breedings, they would definitely be pure--that is, if no Elaphe, Lampropeltis getula, Pituophis, etc. were in the snakes. lol

Jake

Shannon is right to do as much homework and groundwork before offering these for sale in the future. It is very common for a breeder to hold back to a f2 generation to make enough available to the commercial market all at once.Further, trials with the ruthveni and nelsoni genes may prove something.Also, I would collect sheds from each parent,each sibling,a albino ruthveni and a albino nelsoni and submit them to the guys doing DNA research on milks(maybe even throw them a couple bucks for their time...)to prove beyond reasonable doubt that they are "pure".Not that the DNA proves anything right now(it may soon)but that you are willing and able to do the right thing as far as the research goes.The difference($)in doing it the "right"way and the "wrong" way will be huge. Good luck,Jeff

They are hybrid pueblan x nelsoni I think. Is this related to that line?

There are pictures of them on their hybrid page

Pretty snakes, if you are into hybrids.
AAA Reptile

Is this the same line as the ones being sold be AAA reptile?

They are nelsoni crosses. Pretty snakes, I guess, if you don't mind intergrades.
AAA Reptile's hybrid milksnake

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Thats what sucks about hybrids and unnatural intergrades so when someone does end up with something like an albino or hypo it will be in question always unless you collected the actual animals yourself . When all theose Hybrid guys claim they dont harm the hobby they should look at a case like this. They are beautiful snakes though.

Regards,

Keith