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She's a Marcia Lincoln bloodline glades that I got last year from Dan Felice, alias DD.

Terry Parks

love the combo of faint stripes and blotches with that color. Randy W.

She should come from breeders that are descendents from the Marcia Lincoln collection which came from a single specimen caught along route 27 north of Alligator Alley (route 84) in the early 1970's. Kathy Love worked with this bloodline until recently when she got rid of the rat snakes in her collection. The bloodline was split off a few times after the bloodline project left the original breeders. They really have a nice deep orange/red color which is actually unusual for an everglades.

Terry Parks

>>love the combo of faint stripes and blotches with that color. Randy W.

That's very interesting with regard to the Kathy Love connection.

I did hear that the 'Striped' ratsnake that seem to be becoming quite common was produced from that line ( I have a pair of these and they are very nice animals ). Can anyone confirm whether or not this is true ?

Steve

Kathy Love has produced several stripped rat snakes from her projects over the years. It is my understanding that Kathy has gotten rid of her rat snakes to focus on corns. She had a stripped/patternless project that dealt with yellow ratsnakes and may have had some of this bloodline influence. Kathy originally did get part of the Marcia Lincoln stock along with a couple other breeders I believe so there may be a couple bloodline lineages that trace back to the original Marcia Lincoln stock. Kathy did use an albino black rat snake to get the amel gene she wanted in producing her bubblegum rat snakes. What stripped rat snakes do you have Steve?

Terry Parks

Hi Terry,

I have a pair of yearling striped/patternless ratsnakes that are possibly het for albino. They have albino siblings but neither of mine are albino.

Do you know more about their lineage apart from the yellow ratsnake
heritage ?? How have they lost their pattern, it is completely absent ?? I would find any info you have most interesting

I did email Kathy Love from her Cornutopia site email but have never had a reply.

Steve

Hi Steve -
"Kathy Love mentions it as the 'Stripped Amel Rat Project'. At least she's written it like that a couple times. This project started back in the late 1970's. Kathy and Bill purchased a juvie w/c female yellow rat that was caught in Belle Glade, FL. It had broken stripes instead of the usual patterns that hatchlings and sub-adults have. Kathy says the yellow rat snake developed into an adult with very faint stripes and mostly a red tongue. This trait turned out to be a simple recessive gene. Later Kathy bred the yellow rat snake into her bubblegum project. Kathy and Bill's bubblegum rat snakes were almost all glades rat snakes that had the amel gene provided by an amel black rat snake. The amel black rat snake came directly from Dr. Bechtel. According to Kathy, Dr. Bechtel said the amel gene in the black rat snake he provided was T plus. The stripped/patternless offspring usually exhibit more yellow and the blotched offspring lean towards more orange or yllow/orange. Kathy later sold breeding pairs and groups off until she no longer works with or has any. She began selling them off, but not before she introduced a hypo everglades gene into a few of the breeder groups. So anyone who has any of this project that are descendents of the ones she worked with could quite possibly be het for hypomelanism."

I paraphrased the above information from a few posts that Kathy Love did on kingsnake.com forums.

Terry Parks

That's a nice lookin' glades there. Your light gray Baird's is very pretty too. Good luck with them

TC

Thanks for the comments Terry. Hopefully I'll have some obsoleta, etc you might like when you get to AZ. Good luck

Terry Parks