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Toad Not Eating, need advice....

scottcrew Nov 01, 2003 02:53 PM

We have 4 American Toads and one of them has stopped eating since we moved them into their new tank. It has been a few weeks. When I have seen it try to eat it just snaps its mouth, but its tongue doesn't come out. We have force fed the toad a couple times, but it still does not appear to be eating on its own. It has drastically lost weight and it looks sad all of the time.
Do you have any advice? Do we need to continue force feeding it? If so, how much should be fed at a time? What should we feed it? Should it be fed more often in the day?
The other toads have been eating free roaming crickets in the cage, meal worms, and a few wax worms. We also have red worms available.
Any and all help would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you in advance!

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God Bless!

Bonnie

Replies (4)

Colchicine Nov 02, 2003 09:44 AM

First, I'll start off by stating that force-feeding should be a last resort method only. There's hardly anything more stressful to an animal than to be restrained, its mouth opened up, and food pushed into its stomach. If it makes any kind of effort to eat on its own, it should not be force-fed. The force-feeding can often lead to more problems by inexperienced people, and usually does not help the situation or correct the causative problem.

You mentioned nothing about the animals set up. The vast majority of problems with captive amphibians and reptiles are directly related to their husbandry. How large is the tank, what is the substrate, what is the water source, what kind of furniture is available in the tank?? Are you providing any vitamin and mineral supplements?? These are all very basic questions that should be explained.

There are many reasons for an animal not wanting to eat. At this time of year it is most commonly associated with the changing seasons, where most animal slowdown and stop eating normally when they are out in the wild. There can be several other problems such as parasites, infections, bad water quality, and overall stress that will keep an animal from eating.

What you should have done when you realized one of the toads was not eating, was too separate it into its own container in case it did have something infectious, it will not continue to contaminate the rest of the container for the toads. You should have tried different types of setups including substrates, either coconut fiber or simple paper towels. You should have tried raising the temperatures since their appetite is directly related to their body temperature. You should have also provided artificial full-spectrum lighting with the 12 hours on 12 hours off cycle. If none of these things helped, it should have been tested for parasites and treated accordingly. The parasites can easily accumulate in captive animals and one of the first indicators of parasites overload is a loss of appetite. The vet could have also done a skin scraping to check for pathogens. During this time you ideally would have been keeping track of its weight. If it had lost more than 10 to 15 percent of its original body weight and there does not seem to be any cause for its anorexia, only then should it had been force-fed. If you have to ask questions such as "how much should be fed at a time? What should we feed it? Should it be fed more often in the day?", thing you should find someone else with more experience to help you.

My advice for now is to stop force-feeding it, separat it into its own container and try some of the things I listed above.
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scottcrew Nov 02, 2003 03:58 PM

Let me start by saying that I do NOT appreciate the tone of your response. Second, I did NOT say that it did not have a desire to eat!! Only that when it tried, its tongue did not come out of its mouth, it just snapped open and shut.
It is now in a 10 gallon tank with 3 other toads, which we had raised from tadpoles, hence, a very low chance of parasites.
We have had it in a substrate of plain, unfertilized soil and now a combination of Jungle Mix Lizard Litter (which states that it is for frogs & toads as well as as other tropical & forest species) & Bed-a-Beast.
Anyway, after the toad is fed, it does perk up, I just don't think it is getting enough food at this time.
Now, this relates to my how much question, I really haven't been keeping track of how much and how often they had been eating since we have had free roaming Cricket Total Bites Total Gutload fed crickets in the tank with the toads. The mealworms have also been fed the Cricket Total Bites.
Anyway, I was really looking for someone who, perhaps, had some experience with a toad that does not seem to be able to extend its tongue to feed. I have often seen it try to eat and has taken interest in prey, but no tongue action when it does snap open its mouth to feed.
Well, if anyone has any helpful advice, please let me know.
TIA!
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God Bless!

Bonnie

Colchicine Nov 02, 2003 06:19 PM

I've provided you with helpful advice! Separate the toad. You can also try hand feeding using a pair of small hemostats. Toes do not have to have their tongue stick out in order to catch their food.

One thing you have to recognize is that not all frogs are going to survive metamorphosis. Especially when it comes to feeding, they have to rearrange their entire mouth from being a tadpole to being a terrestrial animal. For whatever reason, this toad's tongue may not have developed all the way. Almost everybody will experience some mortality associated with metamorphosis. If you cannot get it to be on its own, you should consider euthanasia. A life of being forced fed is not a quality life. It can simply be done using Orajel.
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...the oldest task in human history: to live on a piece of land without spoiling it."
Aldo Leopold (1938)

"Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us."
Calvin and Hobbes

scottcrew Nov 02, 2003 07:23 PM

Yes, I am fully aware that they all don't make it through metamorphosis. We had originally started with 9 tadpoles.
These toads, however, are about 2-3 months old and are approximately 2"-2.5". This one had been eating fine up to this point, using its tongue and everything. I just don't know why it might have stopped using it.

I have decided to put it in a separate tank with a paper towel and a specified number of bugs and I will see if it is eating at all on its own. It had been soaking for quite a while in its pond yeaterday and now looks a little bloated. TAhen again, they all seem to do that from time to time.
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God Bless!

Bonnie

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