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FlavixArgus why??

bengalensis Nov 01, 2003 03:15 PM

Ive wondered this for a while, but never thought to ask til now. Why would you want to cross these two? The sand monitor is worth a heck of alot more as far as monetary value, and crossing just decreases that value. I think the Flavi looks wonderful and if I had one theres no way I would want to mess up its natural good looks by crossing it. On the other hand, I guess the Flavi bloodlines make Argus more attractive. Shoot though, your spending time and money breeding, why not just focus on the Flavs?

Just wondering...

Replies (3)

FR Nov 01, 2003 10:46 PM

First you have to understand, its not a "one or the other" type of thing. I am proud to say, at this time I have eggs from pure flavis, pure gouldi, and pure argus. I also have have eggs for every combinaton of those three.

The first cross we had was pure ignorance. We bred a eastern flavi with a central flavi. At least thats what the books at the time called them. It turned out the eastern flavi, is really a gouldi. There are no flavis in eastern australia. So that was the first, gouldi/flavi cross. Then a few years later, I had a beautiful argus female and no male. She kept cycling, so in desperation I tossed in a flavi male. Only did that until I aquired a argus male.

Of course once the eggs hatched, I was not going to kill them off. You need to remember, I do not care for people as a whole, and its people who say they are different, its surely not the monitors that say they are different. As of now, we have five generations of crosses or whatever you want to call them.

Please do not give me the "its unnatural deal" its not natural for monitors to be in the US, its not natural for them to be in cages. And its highly unnatural for them to be kept in conditions that do not allow them to do what they do naturally. So you see, I indeed fail to understand what natural has to do with it.

The gouldi complex group is a wonderful group of monitors, whether they are or should be different species, is indeed in doubt and has been for such a very long time.

I will say this, I did not do anything special to cross them, other then putting them in the same cage. Not like some of the trickery thats happening with snakes.

Now, many generations later, it seems odd, that such wonderfully normal animals should be a problem. Surely they are not in country of origin and will not be released into nature.

Again it ends up, its all about choices, now you have more. You can like them or not, its your choice. F

bengalensis Nov 02, 2003 12:25 AM

Really I hadnt much concern over the ethics and what not. I was just curious as to why the crossing came about in the first place as I noticed that it didnt do much for monetary appreciation.

Interesting responce, nonetheless.

FR Nov 02, 2003 01:20 AM

I think I have said many times, I do not breed monitors for money. I breed them because I like them. So money was not a consideration.

But once it happened, it turned out to be a great thing. Flavis are still worth a fair amount. Surely if I would have continued to produce lots of them, they would be worth far less. And now there is a really nice affordable monitors for people without so much money to enjoy.

I do not know about what you think, but, three hundred bucks is still a fair bit of change for a lizard. And of course, 600 or 750 is a lot of money(for flavis), that allows Flavis to be of greater value for those interested in such things.

I am not sure about how you think this stuff works, but, after a certain point, the more you produce the less they are worth. So making lots and lots of Flavis is really not a good idea. F

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