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It might be time to start thinking about the ramifications of crackdowns on animal keeping, like tigers. Retics and burms might not be far behind. All it takes is one high profile incident...

Yes, I am very concerned about this, but unfortunately that is the way of the new and improved "free" country we live in. I hate to sound apathetic, but I personally think there is little anyone can do about it and that eventually every "priveledge" of keeping ANY animal will be taken away. "They" find reasons (like the gun control nuts) and exploit high profile incidents that have shock value and generate public outrage or fear, and chip away at our priveledges piece by piece until all freedoms are gone. One American president (i think it was Adams) had a pet alligator in the White House once upon a time. No one thought anything of it at the time, I'm sure. Now if someone has one they want to lynch them. I wish we had more presidents like Theodore Roosevelt. He was a naturalist at heart and I greatly admire him posthumously. I think if we had more polititians like this none of this crap would be happening.

Don't get me wrong,. I will fight tooth and nail, side by side with anyone willing to do battle against the liberal s.o.b's,.. but i think it's already a lost battle and it's just a matter of time until all freedoms are lost concerning keeping anything other than a cat or a dog (and even then not all dogs). Hopefully when the 60's and 70's generations begin to hit political office a bit more they'll stop being so anal about everything and wanting to regulate and outlaw everything.

>>It might be time to start thinking about the ramifications of crackdowns on animal keeping, like tigers. Retics and burms might not be far behind. All it takes is one high profile incident...
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"If I had 365 enemies it would only take a year out of my life to settle all scores." Mia Miselfani

This is all bogus. They are trying to pass that stupid law in Lake County in Il, and its just a matter of time before it works its way down, the state. Not to mention all the peoples extra income it brings in for families for those who breed , and breed rats and rabbits and mice. Its more jobs lost. We all would lose alot of money and time. They are worried about stupid things like sars. It makes me sick. I would like to make a lawsuit against at least for those people who have these pets, to get a license, to keep them. How can they just come in and take somthing away that you have grown with.

Retaliate against them by showing them that you care for these animals.Opposing force in numbers works well if used right.Sitting here and complaining or wondering whats going to happen next isnt going to do nothing but give them more of a reason.Do like the gay/lesbian rights activists,environmental activists,prochoice/antiabortion activists,do what they did best and protest to your hearts content and then when it comes right down to it, do it some more.I would even go as far as telling them hey we vote for you so you have no right to determine what we can or cannot have.If you stand up for what you think is right then your chances of winning greatly outnumber your chances of losing wholeheartedly.You have two very simple choices,1)either live your life the way they dictate you to live it or 2) live it the way you want to live it,within reasonable standards (dont kill everyone who pisses you off).

There are 3 simple reasons as to why they want to ban the keeping of animals. 1) The most important probably is the importing/exporting by the 100's or 1000's just to gain profit.The real deal for this is tigers,lions,zebras,elaphants,monkeys,etc.All of these animals as well as hundreds more you can get for a price to the point of extinction in the wild.Overhunting/poaching has alot to do with it as well,furs,ivory,fat,snake skins,etc.Anyone whos anyone can watch the news,read the paper,go to a website and get this info what makes you think that politicians cant as well. 2)A danger to society (if not kept properly).Lets say that joe smoe goes out and gets and indian tiger cub.He raises it all its life and one day it decides to get loose and wreak havic on the neighborhood.Ok lets go a step further and say it decides to kill 2 people in the process.Now if the animal gets caught IT WILL be put to sleep,no ?s asked.The owner on the other hand gets fined and sent home to buy another one.Its the people keeping the animals carelessly or the ones that shouldnt be kept at all (tigers,lions,monkeys,etc) that will get everything banned. 3)People in the society itself.People have always had a hidden fear of anything they dont understand(ufos,animals,bigfoot,etc).People for the most part could care less what goes on in this world but let something happen that they are afraid of then they all start to get nervous.The same happens with animals,for the majority of people living on this planet the only thing they know about an animal is what they see on t.v or hear from someone else.They dont research the animals in ? because it is something that they have always been afraid of so they could care less.Now all of a sudden the once herpless society is getting herps basically thrown at them from every angle and its getting them riled up.They have every reason to be.Basically what i'm saying is,dont flaunt what you have and the society will care less.These people that like to go out in public with your snakes,monkeys,gorillas,tigers,or whatever else you have,dont,that gives them that much more of an edge to work with.I know it goes against most herpers well being but think of it this way,if they dont know what you have how can they make you get rid of it.Regards Bill McLeod

I think we should someone bann together as a community and establish a national organization that regulates and licenses/certifies people to own herps.

It would train people who take the classes in basic husbandry for all herps. Then specialty courses can be taken for snakes, amphibians, etc. and then registering your animal like the AKC does for dogs. Being a member of this type of organization, not only raises money for our cause, but we have a national group fighting for us on the local, state, and federal level. All our animals would then be protected under our registered, organized, trained and licensed or certified laws.

We can send out member petitions for legislation that comes up for topics that affect us. We stay non-profit so all the money is geared just for our benefit as a whole. We have members who are voted in by the whole community, etc.

I'm a member of the USPA (United States Parachuters assoc.) and PADI (Professioanl assoc. of Diving Instructors) just so I can skydive and scuba dive. I had to go through special specific training that is standardized national and in some cases internationally. There is a membership that allows me to purchase, rent and buy certain things in each group.

Limitations as well with my lack of experiences and advantages over others because of more experience in a lesser level.

We should organize something like this. I would sign a petition and pay atleast $50/year pluse $10 per herp that I own.
I'm sure it would cause breeders and pet stores to up their price, but wouldn't you want to buy something from a nationally standardized member, that is inspected by the group to make sure they are up to date on cleanliness, proper care, breeding, etc.? ofcourse

my long 2 cents

Richard

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it's better than crying about it and doing nothing

I think that that is an excellant idea. I know that something needs to be done to allow us to continue to own raise and breed reptiles. Does anyone know how to go about and start such an organization and get it federally recognized?. Todd

I live in Italy. here since 1996 many animals are forbidden. the cause is that they are marked as dangerous. here the list:
any kind of big felidae(tigers, lions ecc), bears,all ungulates, pachiderms and similar animals, cangaroos etc
about reptiles:
-all monitors
-all venomous excepted some rear fanged(heterodon spp, boiga spp, hidrodinastes, etc)
-retic python
-green anaconda
-all crocodiles, caimans, alligators(loricaridae)
-turtles:alligator and common snappers, mauremys caspica.
in the air there is a law that forbid all the snakes over 10kg and the rear fanged.
I hope it will not be so, otherwise I'll go to live in another european state where is all permitted!!!
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1.0 Python molurus bivittatus albino(3.20m)
0.1 Python molurus bivittatus(5,80m)
0,1 Python molurus bivittatus het albino (1,2m)
1.0 Python sebae(2,50m)
1.2. Chondropython viridis (aru)
0.0.1 Chondropython viridis (biak)
0.0.1 Chondropython viridis (sorong)
1.2 Leiopython albertisi(gold)
1.2 Gonyosoma Oxycephala
1.1 Lampropeltis californiae desert
0.1 Lampropeltis californiae albino striped
1.0 Lampropeltis californiae choccolate
2.1 Lampropeltis californiae lavanda
1.1 Lampropeltis californiae snow
1.1 Lampropeltis triangulum sinaloae
1.1 Lampropeltis triangulum nelsoni albino
0.1 Lampropeltis mexicana thayeri buckskin
1.0 Lampropeltis mexicana thayeri leonis
1.2 Heterodon nasicus
0.1 Pituophis sayi albino
2.2 Pituophis sayi ivory ghost
1.1 Elaphe guttata blizzard
1.1 Elaphe guttata albino striped
1.3 Elaphe guttata snow
1.0 Elaphe guttata ghost motley
0.1 Elaphe guttata albino
1.0 Elaphe guttata albino sunglow
0.1 Elaphe guttata miamy phase
1.1 Elaphe guttata candy cane
1.1 Elaphe obsoleta obsoleta leucistic
2.2 Elaphe obsoleta obsoleta het albino and white side
1.0 Jungle corn albino (albino lampropeltis californiae X elaphe albina X elaphe snow)

sinbce august 2003 all the dangerous arachnidae was forbidden too!!! but they din't make a list yet, so.... all forbidden!
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1.0 Python molurus bivittatus albino(3.20m)
0.1 Python molurus bivittatus(5,80m)
0,1 Python molurus bivittatus het albino (1,2m)
1.0 Python sebae(2,50m)
1.2. Chondropython viridis (aru)
0.0.1 Chondropython viridis (biak)
0.0.1 Chondropython viridis (sorong)
1.2 Leiopython albertisi(gold)
1.2 Gonyosoma Oxycephala
1.1 Lampropeltis californiae desert
0.1 Lampropeltis californiae albino striped
1.0 Lampropeltis californiae choccolate
2.1 Lampropeltis californiae lavanda
1.1 Lampropeltis californiae snow
1.1 Lampropeltis triangulum sinaloae
1.1 Lampropeltis triangulum nelsoni albino
0.1 Lampropeltis mexicana thayeri buckskin
1.0 Lampropeltis mexicana thayeri leonis
1.2 Heterodon nasicus
0.1 Pituophis sayi albino
2.2 Pituophis sayi ivory ghost
1.1 Elaphe guttata blizzard
1.1 Elaphe guttata albino striped
1.3 Elaphe guttata snow
1.0 Elaphe guttata ghost motley
0.1 Elaphe guttata albino
1.0 Elaphe guttata albino sunglow
0.1 Elaphe guttata miamy phase
1.1 Elaphe guttata candy cane
1.1 Elaphe obsoleta obsoleta leucistic
2.2 Elaphe obsoleta obsoleta het albino and white side
1.0 Jungle corn albino (albino lampropeltis californiae X elaphe albina X elaphe snow)