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The title sais it all. I asked this Question on another forum, and am wanting to know a more basic answer. Thanks,

M.N

Yes... I have been told (yes hearsay is admissible on the frog forum) that they are different morphs

The whole quinquevittatus group in which vents are included is a very messy ordeal. Amazonicus is what used to be used in the scientific literature, but now the ventrimaculatus name has been more accepted and used. To answer your question....they both (red vents and yellows) have the same call and can interbreed producing viable offspring. So they fit into the whole biological species concept. The red vent is just that... a variation within the species. Hope this helps!

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Justin
stk18119@loki.stockton.edu

D.auratus
D.leucomelas
D.tinctorius (lorenzo, yellowback, citro, pb, oyopock,etc.)
D.azureus
D.ventrimaculatus (yellow/gold)
D.pumilio (blue jeans, solid red)
P.aurotaenia (narrow bands/green)
P.bicolor
E.tricolor (Santa Isabel)
H. leucophyllata
P. hypochondrialis azurea
P. resinfictrix
etc.......

Hi,

I am not sure how that picture still pops up and people say that it is a "red vent." In the US that frog is known as D. lamasi (panguana). In europe (and Japan) they used to call it Dendrobates ventrimaculatus Panguana. I just recived 6 of these wonderful frogs and I assure you that they are not Amazonicus. I know of 3 different morphs of Amazonicus, the pumpkin orange morph (tor linbo) , the red morph (todd kelly), and the gold morph (tor). My gold amazonicus (bought form Tor Linbo) do look different than ventrimaculatus and I have idenitfied them as amazonicus out of R. Shulte's book. Also my amazonicus have blue legs, not the red ones in your picture.

Alexander Stubbs

Also this is NOT meant as a flame, I am just trying to sort htings out!
Identification of "red vent"

I'm confused... the picture andersonii85 provided is the same picture on the link you provided?

Hi,

I found other pictures of this frog, but because of the poor quality of the provided picture positive identification could not be assured. Because there is so little information on this frog it was a simple matter to find the same picture. If you need to see more pictures of it you can go to

Alexander Stubbs
lamasi picture

The panguana lamasi in that picture looks more like a panguana vent. The black takes up too much....The panguana lamasi still jhave more yellow in them than this. I would have to see the ventral surface before I could claim exactly what it was though.
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Justin
stk18119@loki.stockton.edu

D.auratus
D.leucomelas
D.tinctorius (lorenzo, yellowback, citro, pb, oyopock,etc.)
D.azureus
D.ventrimaculatus (yellow/gold)
D.pumilio (blue jeans, solid red)
P.aurotaenia (narrow bands/green)
P.bicolor
E.tricolor (Santa Isabel)
H. leucophyllata
P. hypochondrialis azurea
P. resinfictrix
etc.......

Panguana lamasi and panguana vent is one and same frog. The reason it has lamasi name is because the call is similar to the regular lamasi. The leg pattern is also similar to lamasi not the vent.

Steven Budidharma

This is a complicated mess, I agree....I have red vents that came from Todd Kelley, as well as amazonicus which, indirectly came from Todd, and some other amazonicus which came from another all three have some slight amounts of yellow on the flanks, and are bright red above. The red vents seem larger, and have less yellow on the flanks, but have brighter blue on the legs, and larger reticulation on the legs. (Needless to say, this is all just based on my small group of frogs...)

Patrick

Hello. this picture was of a yellow vent. Amazonicus is no longer used due to revisions. People still use it though because nothing is set in stone when it comes to binomial nomenclature. Ventrimaculatus is now being used. "Morphs" are only accepted by breeders and are misleading....they are all the same species each morph probably from a different population. The legs on the one in the picture are not red- they appear to be so from the lighting. And yes it is a yellow vent. The dorsal markings typically form a broken "Y" on the back in vents and there is generally one spot on the nose- which may be absent. They are found in different locations (upper amazon) whereas lamasi are found in Peru. In lamasi the dorsum consists of two black stripes that are usually unbroken and can sometimes form a "Y" pattern. Ugh! the differences are there you just got to believe me.
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Justin
stk18119@loki.stockton.edu

D.auratus
D.leucomelas
D.tinctorius (lorenzo, yellowback, citro, pb, oyopock,etc.)
D.azureus
D.ventrimaculatus (yellow/gold)
D.pumilio (blue jeans, solid red)
P.aurotaenia (narrow bands/green)
P.bicolor
E.tricolor (Santa Isabel)
H. leucophyllata
P. hypochondrialis azurea
P. resinfictrix
etc.......