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Blue Spot Timor or Yellow Ackie? Opinions Please. thx

lgehrig4 Nov 06, 2003 09:42 AM

Hi,

Based upon my research I am interested in purchasing either a Blue Spot Timor or an Ackie(yellow or red). I am not looking to breed. This would only be kept as a pet so a docile animal is desired. I've read info on both and it is obvious that the Ackie would be considered the better choice based upon what I have said. I am leaning towards the Timor based on looks alone. They have the appearance that I am looking for in a monitor. If I purchase a calm/tame baby Timor, what are the chances that it would remain that way? Do they have a tendency to revert or is their behavior at that age a good indicator of the personality that I should expect as an adult? I realize that they are animals and that their are no guarantees, but I would appreciate your opinions based upon your experiences with either of these monitors.

Thank you in advance!
Jeff

Replies (13)

BMX_PYTHON Nov 06, 2003 01:59 PM

Timors are usaully stay tame. I have never really seen an aggressive one. If u handle it it will stay tame, even if is tame as a baby, without proper handling it won't stay as tame. I have seen a lot of baby monitors and snakes act aggressive, but this will pass as they get older with handling ofcourse. So I'd go with a nice, cb timor. GOOD LUCK!

meretseger Nov 06, 2003 02:07 PM

CB being extremely operative...
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Peter: It's OK, I'll handle it. I read a book about something like this.
Brian: Are you sure it was a book? Are you sure it wasn't NOTHING?

BMX_PYTHON Nov 06, 2003 06:06 PM

meretseger, I like your signature. FamilyGuy!

meretseger Nov 06, 2003 08:15 PM

Go me, goby!
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Peter: It's OK, I'll handle it. I read a book about something like this.
Brian: Are you sure it was a book? Are you sure it wasn't NOTHING?

bmendyk Nov 06, 2003 08:38 PM

I have rarely seen "tame" timors. All that I have seen were very flighty and did not take well to handling. Perhaps some might calm down after being restrained for a couple of minutes, but NOTHING will compare to the personalities and calmness of ackies.. I would recommend ackies; they are captive bred, whereas the timor is most likely WC, despite what you are being told, so parasites and stress can be a big thing to consider as well. But I would lean towards ackies..

BM

SHvar Nov 06, 2003 09:33 PM

Timors are very nervous, they hide almost all of the time, they burrow, they climb some, they can bite very deceptively hard, have claws that are as sharp as razor blades (they dont hesitate to rip your skin up bad before they defecate on you), and are very pretty small species. Ackies are outgoing, confident, full of personality and attitude, dont hide much, love to burrow, and seem to be afraid of almost nothing. Ackies are great monitors to start with or if you have had monitors for many years, also they are all captive bred in the US, timors are 99% imports, ask for proof if someone claims they are CBB.

blues90 Nov 07, 2003 12:03 AM

i got my timor at the same time as my black rough neck , it was about half adult size , what I did notice is this , since it had some areas on the one front leg and one on the body that looked like a swelling , this was only noticed the day after i got it since it was not about to stand still and pose just being brought home , I picked it up without much trouble and it did not attempt to bite , the swelling was soft so I looked in a book on parasites that i had and called a few vets , what i ended up doing was clean the areas with betadine and used a steril safelt pin on an angle just to break the skin and produce a small opening and used the tweezers to gently work around the area to force whatever was in there out , it seemed to be just under the skin as described in a book as a misguided tapeworm , what did come out was white and very easy to break so i worked slowly and managed to remove four 3to4"long white soft worms that were alive and not segmented like a tapeworm , i did locate a few more after and did the same ,i never did find out just what they were but once in the open they did dry up very rapidly , the point to this is the more I handled the timor the more calm it became and got to the point of just relaxing , now since then I have not handled it very often and the cage is large enough that i do not have to remove the timor to do so , but once i did pick it up i was bitten and torn to shreads , these litlle guys do have alot more strength than one would expect so if it is a calm timor you want than working with it a little ata time seems to work well , of course all monitors have a different temporment and some will never calm down , so far the monitor i have found to be the calmest of all is the dumeral by far , they may hiss and swat but most times will not attempt to bite , again there are exceptions , I have had two timors and both when handled at cage cleaning time remained calm which was a twice a week deal . Some people have one monitor and work with it and their goal is to have one that is calm and tame , others have more than one and this is not their object of desire , my dumeral can always be trusted if i need to handle him the others are maybe maybe not , it depends , I can't say if it is stressful for them to be tamed , they may learn to loose fear and trust you but I don't think any monitor enjoys being handled much , this is just my opinion . I have had niles and salvador's and black throats ,savannah's and mangroves , a mangrove will calm and is one of my favorite monitors , i had a male that i got full grown that i kept for 3 years and it passed away a few months ago and i still miss him . I now stay away from large monitors , not that i don't like them but the room required to house them and keep them happy , all the monitors I have of did have were petshop rescues , I lost 2 baby niles that were almost lifeless , pulled a few out of this condition , lost a female mangrove that was only 2 feet total lenth to egg binding and a vet that did not know what he was doing and told me it was MBD because the rear legs were immoble , even though I insisted they were fine the day before so now I have an x-ray to show for that and my male mangrove from some sort of slow loss of movement of the front legs that came on suddenly and progressed to death , the vet could never tell me what the problem was , the conclusion was from a spider bite to nerve damage and blood tests confirmed nothing , it was also said it could have been old age . Timors are great little monitors and now that I have a black tree monitor there is no monitor I would rather have , once established they are one of the most interesting to watch and keep that I have seen so far .

lgehrig4 Nov 06, 2003 09:34 PM

You see how there is already some contradicting info. This is same as I have been getting so far from the care sheets that I was able to find online. Are the opinion differences due to individual experiences or just peoples perceptions of the word tame? I would like to see someone jump in and put this one to rest.

thanks again for your input!
Jeff

SHvar Nov 06, 2003 09:36 PM

Timors are not pet monitors they hide almost all of the time, they dont hesitate to demonstrate their razor sharp claws before they defecate all over you and your new deep cuts. Ackies are calm, outgoing, full of attitude, seem afraid of almost nothing.

meretseger Nov 07, 2003 03:52 AM

Mine usually stops at the clawing bit...
My definition of tame (for this discussion) is an animal that will sit on your open hand. My monitor will stop struggling after a bit but if I let him go he's in the next state. Right now I'm working on him not having a heart attack when he sees me.
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Peter: It's OK, I'll handle it. I read a book about something like this.
Brian: Are you sure it was a book? Are you sure it wasn't NOTHING?

lgehrig4 Nov 06, 2003 10:06 PM

are there any other monitors that are similar in appearance and size to Timors, but with better dispositions? I am not ruling out an Ackie, but I just favor monitors that have that "dragon like" appearance such as Timors, Komodos, Waters, etc.

Thanks again
Jeff

bmendyk Nov 07, 2003 01:09 AM

Hey there,

you're not gonna find anything else that really fits that description that stays small, and is handleable/calm. I would recommend sticking with the odatriads, they are smaller, more manageable, and some are much more calmer, but I would have to say ackies are the way to go.. take care,

BM

rsg Nov 07, 2003 04:09 PM

Still not as calm as ackies, but better than timors. Tristis are long and slender compared to ackies.
Good Luck

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