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should pregnant (gravid) rats be separated?

rudedogsurfrat Nov 07, 2003 04:55 PM

My female will kill her cagemate before delivering. I made a new 50qt enclosure in hopes that more space will be better for my 1.2 trio. I hear that they always should be separated.
What is the deal?
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0.1 Rubber Boa
1.1 Eastern Hognose Snakes
2.3 Western Hognose Snakes
1.0 Durango Mountain Kingsnake
1.1 Woma's (new!)
Spadefoot
Black Knobbed Sawback
Northern Diamondback
Florida Redbellied Slider
Western Painted
Southern Painted
1.0 African Hedgehog
1.0 Sulcata
2.1 Leopard (Babcocki) 1.0 borrowed (thanks Bobby)
2 Plecos
2 Silver Dollars
3 Bosemian Rainbows
1 African Dwarf Frog
1 Khuli Loach
1 Cory Cat
1 Upside Down Catfish
2.0 Fire Guramis

uhh... I think that is it.

Replies (7)

sartori Nov 07, 2003 06:41 PM

but its WRONG..

females CAN be kept together during the entire breeding cycle and raising up the pups.. the male can be kept in also.. no reason to remove him

i keep my groups in tubs which measure 28"long X19"wide x6"tall.. and i run 1.3 in them FULLTIME i never remove a member of the colony for their entire breeding life.. only time i remove someone is if they are sick, or have some sort of problem.. other than that my rats stay together 8-12 months

dan

LdyPayne Nov 08, 2003 01:21 PM

there could always be an exception to the rule. If one or more of your female rats acts aggressive towards other females when she is pregnant or after giving birth, it would be better to separate her from other females stil her babies are weaned. Typically a pregnant and nursing rat female becomes dominant in a rat colony, and most respect her position. Several female rats with babies can be kept together though there is a risk of damage to the young as each mother 'steals' babies from the other, if the two mothers happen to fight over who nurses one of the babies. Their teeth could rupture the delicate skin of the babies.

ninja_tortoise Nov 08, 2003 02:47 PM

not trying to be a jerk or anything, but gravid is used with animals that carry eggs, like snakes and reptiles and such. mammals are jsut called pregnant.
no offense, but you used the wrong term.

and as far as i've heard, rats are fine raising young in small colonies

rudedogsurfrat Nov 10, 2003 05:58 PM

not to be technical or anything but humans do carry eggs. Ever hear of an oocyte? Probably not.

Rudy
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0.1 Rubber Boa
1.1 Eastern Hognose Snakes
2.3 Western Hognose Snakes
1.0 Durango Mountain Kingsnake
1.1 Woma's (new!)
Spadefoot
Black Knobbed Sawback
Northern Diamondback
Florida Redbellied Slider
Western Painted
Southern Painted
1.0 African Hedgehog
1.0 Sulcata
2.1 Leopard (Babcocki) 1.0 borrowed (thanks Bobby)
2 Plecos
2 Silver Dollars
3 Bosemian Rainbows
1 African Dwarf Frog
1 Khuli Loach
1 Cory Cat
1 Upside Down Catfish
2.0 Fire Guramis

uhh... I think that is it.

rudedogsurfrat Nov 10, 2003 06:03 PM

grav·id ( P ) Pronunciation Key (grvd)
adj.
Carrying developing young or eggs: a gravid uterus; a gravid female.

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[Latin gravidus, from gravis, heavy. See gwer-1 in Indo-European Roots.]
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gra·vidi·ty (gr-vd-t) or gravid·ness n.
gravid·ly adv.

Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.

gravid

( P ) gravid: log in for this definition of gravid and other entries in Merriam-Webster Medical Dictionary, available only to Dictionary.com Premium members.

Source: Merriam-Webster Medical Dictionary, © 2002 Merriam-Webster, Inc.

gravid

gravid was Word of the Day on January 8, 2001.

Source: Dictionary.com Word of the Day

gravid

Grav"id, a. [L. gravidus, fr. gravis heavy, loaded. See Grave, a.] Being with child; heavy with young; pregnant; fruitful; as, a gravid uterus; gravid piety. `` His gravid associate.'' --Sir T. Herbert.

Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc.

gravid

adj : in an advanced stage of pregnancy; "was big with child"; "was great with child" [syn: big(p), enceinte, expectant, great(p), large(p), heavy(p), with child(p)]

Source: WordNet ® 1.6, © 1997 Princeton University

gravid

gravid: in CancerWEB's On-line Medical Dictionary

Source: On-line Medical Dictionary, © 1997-98 Academic Medical Publishing & CancerWEB
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0.1 Rubber Boa
1.1 Eastern Hognose Snakes
2.3 Western Hognose Snakes
1.0 Durango Mountain Kingsnake
1.1 Woma's (new!)
Spadefoot
Black Knobbed Sawback
Northern Diamondback
Florida Redbellied Slider
Western Painted
Southern Painted
1.0 African Hedgehog
1.0 Sulcata
2.1 Leopard (Babcocki) 1.0 borrowed (thanks Bobby)
2 Plecos
2 Silver Dollars
3 Bosemian Rainbows
1 African Dwarf Frog
1 Khuli Loach
1 Cory Cat
1 Upside Down Catfish
2.0 Fire Guramis

uhh... I think that is it.

ninja_tortoise Nov 11, 2003 06:43 PM

wow,
all i said is gravid is usually used with animals that lay eggs,
i didn't need 3 seperate definitions. if you have all the animals you list, how'd you find the time to get all those definitions?

rudedogsurfrat Nov 12, 2003 12:08 AM

Ninja,
I do have alot of animals, and it is a heck of alot of work. I actually have a separate room just for the herps, except for the tortoises which live outside with a heated house where they sleep. Fortunately for me I have a job where I work full time 3 days a week 12 hour shifts. That leaves me with 4 days free time to take care of buisiness and do the rest of my hobbies.

Luckily the posts are not erased on this forum so you can scroll up and see for yourself what you wrote to me. You used terms like "not to be a jerk or anything but gravid is used for animals that carry eggs", and you wrote " no offense, but you used the wrong term". I take everything written at face value so if you give me a comment like that, I will respond to exactly what you said. There is no way you can tell if someone is joking on this forum since you can't see body language or distinguish tone of voice. Posting basic dictionary definitions may be overkill I must admit. But YOU cannot try and make someone look ignorant when it is you that is ignorant. Get my drift? So before you go and try to prove someone wrong, do some research and make sure it is not you that is wrong. That way you don't make yourself look so bad, especially if your intention was to make me look bad.
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0.1 Rubber Boa
1.1 Eastern Hognose Snakes
2.3 Western Hognose Snakes
1.0 Durango Mountain Kingsnake
1.1 Woma's (new!)
Spadefoot
Black Knobbed Sawback
Northern Diamondback
Florida Redbellied Slider
Western Painted
Southern Painted
1.0 African Hedgehog
1.0 Sulcata
2.1 Leopard (Babcocki) 1.0 borrowed (thanks Bobby)
2 Plecos
2 Silver Dollars
3 Bosemian Rainbows
1 African Dwarf Frog
1 Khuli Loach
1 Cory Cat
1 Upside Down Catfish
2.0 Fire Guramis

uhh... I think that is it.

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