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Could someone tell me the difference between a stripe and a stripe motley?
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Dianne
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>>Could someone tell me the difference between a stripe and a stripe motley?

Striped Motley: Thin stripe and head not connected.

Stripe: Wide stripe and head connected.
[img]http://members.lycos.nl/cornsnakes/img/StripeJuly28-01.jpg[/img
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Marcel Poots (Holland)
'Where is your crown King Nothing?' James Hettfield

>>>>Could someone tell me the difference between a stripe and a stripe motley?

Stripe: Wide stripe and head connected.

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Marcel Poots (Holland)
'Where is your crown King Nothing?' James Hettfield

So this is a normal stripe then? Are all stripes bellies clean?

I was sold her as a stripe/anery, so I wasn't expecting her to be motley, but the differences are so small I got curious. What does it mean for breeding? if bred to a motley/stripe would the F2's then be stripe het motley and F3's could get stripe-motley's? What about stripe being bred to a plain motley. Could any "normals" come out of that?

Until I got this little girl I didn't even care for stripes LOL
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Dianne
AKA IcedGoddess
0.1 Snow (Ruby)
1.0 Anery A (Breaden)
0.0.4 Normal het-snow (no names yet)
1.1 Bloodred (Vlad the Impailer and Natasha)
0.1 Anery Stripe (Morticia)
1.0 Candy Cane (Kane)

1.3 Cats (Alexys{f}, Mikki{f}, Timothy{m}, Seven{f})
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That is a Stripe allright. Breeding Motley X Stripe will result in all Motleys and StripeMotleys. But no normal stripes I guess. Motley / Stripe genetics are quite hard to understand. I have a gorgeous '03 Motley from a Stripe to Stripe Breeding.. LOL

Marcel

>>So this is a normal stripe then? Are all stripes bellies clean?
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>>I was sold her as a stripe/anery, so I wasn't expecting her to be motley, but the differences are so small I got curious. What does it mean for breeding? if bred to a motley/stripe would the F2's then be stripe het motley and F3's could get stripe-motley's? What about stripe being bred to a plain motley. Could any "normals" come out of that?
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>>Until I got this little girl I didn't even care for stripes LOL
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>>Dianne
>>AKA IcedGoddess
>>0.1 Snow (Ruby)
>>1.0 Anery A (Breaden)
>>0.0.4 Normal het-snow (no names yet)
>>1.1 Bloodred (Vlad the Impailer and Natasha)
>>0.1 Anery Stripe (Morticia)
>>1.0 Candy Cane (Kane)
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>>1.3 Cats (Alexys{f}, Mikki{f}, Timothy{m}, Seven{f})
>>0.1 Child
>>1.0 Boyfriend
>> IcedGoddess Creations
>> Castle Serpents
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Marcel Poots (Holland)
'Where is your crown King Nothing?' James Hettfield

So stripe and motley must be related somehow like stripe is an extreme form of motley and motley-stripe is even more extreme, but they're all motley? LOL, I still don't understand hypo, so I don't know why I'm taking on stripe and motley now!
My poor brain!
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Dianne
AKA IcedGoddess
0.1 Snow (Ruby)
1.0 Anery A (Breaden)
0.0.4 Normal het-snow (no names yet)
1.1 Bloodred (Vlad the Impailer and Natasha)
0.1 Anery Stripe (Morticia)
1.0 Candy Cane (Kane)

1.3 Cats (Alexys{f}, Mikki{f}, Timothy{m}, Seven{f})
0.1 Child
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This Motley comes from Stripe X Stripe ..LOL

But look at the last part of the tail..

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Marcel Poots (Holland)
'Where is your crown King Nothing?' James Hettfield

I may have to get more stripes and play with this a bit
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Dianne
AKA IcedGoddess
0.1 Snow (Ruby)
1.0 Anery A (Breaden)
0.0.4 Normal het-snow (no names yet)
1.1 Bloodred (Vlad the Impailer and Natasha)
0.1 Anery Stripe (Morticia)
1.0 Candy Cane (Kane)

1.3 Cats (Alexys{f}, Mikki{f}, Timothy{m}, Seven{f})
0.1 Child
1.0 Boyfriend
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Just to make it more confusing there are motleys that have been breed for conecting blotches forming a single stripe.I saw one of those at a show recently next to a normal stripe for comparison and the srtipes where much thicker.both those and the ones showing motley and sriped on different sections of the snake are marketed as motley-stripe so you really have to be carefull if ordering one without knowing what your getting.

My understanding of this complicated issue is that the motley gene and the stripe gene are alleles. That means that you could get a cornsnake that is normal looking, we'll say that they have the M gene. (M means the non-motley look, which would be a dominant condition). a motley corn would have the "m" gene, and a pair of them. "mm" because they are homozygous for motley. Now then you have stripe, which is a kind of motley (hence the white belly), which I'll call m(st). A striped corn is m(st)/m(st)... homozygous for both. Turns out that while a non-motley gene M is dominant over the other two genes, the "m" gene is dominant over the stripe gene m(st). With the following "simple" results:

Normal (MM) by motley (mm) will result in all normals het for motley

Motley (mm) by stripe [m(st)m(st)} would result in all motley stripe offspring m/m(st)... but since the motley is a stronger influence than the stripe, you'll get motleys, and you'll get motley stripes in the clutch.

Among my corns I have a lot I can do to play with...

Aphrodite is from Kathy love, and is het for motley M/m. Hermes is a normal stripe. m(st)/m(st). When I cross them all of the offspring should have the stripe gene, and half of them should be a variety of Motley Stripe... anywhere from the motley look all the way to motley stripe.

I also have Athena, an Anery Stripe m(st)/m(st), and Zeus, a Hurricane Snow Motley m/m. When I cross those I should get all anery motley stripes (unless Athena has some hidden recessives I don't know about).

I've heard that crossing Motley with Motley stripe can often result in very odd patterns a couple of generatiosn down the line, and I'm looking forward to seeing what I get.
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~Sasheena

Sasheena, it sounds like you have some really good future projects there. I have a really wild looking hypo motley stripe and an anery mot stripe I plan on breeding some day. I think they are some of my coolest snakes. I really love screwed up patterns. Nothing else like them.