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So what do you call albino x axanthic x hypomelanistic?

meretseger Nov 10, 2003 05:01 PM

Hi, my wife and I are sandboa people and while Kenyans have albino (T I think) and axanthic (type 2 I believe), there's at least one person claiming to have a hypomelanistic animal, so I was wondering what a triple homo with these traits would be called? Because I know that kenyans have snow and that if kenyans get a T- albino then it would be called blizzard(?), and albino x hypo is sunglow and axanthic x hypo is called ghost, so what would a hypo snow be called?

Thanks in advance
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Replies (3)

Paul Hollander Nov 11, 2003 02:03 PM

>Hi, my wife and I are sandboa people and while Kenyans have albino (T I think)

I don't know much about sandboas. But unless Dr. Bechtel or somebody has tested albino Kenyans for tyrosinase activity, there is no point to worrying about whether it's tyrosinase positive or negative. From what I've heard, nobody has tested any albino boid for tyrosinase activity. For that matter, are there two albino genes in Kenyans?

> and axanthic (type 2 I believe),

Are there two types of axanthic in sandboas? If not, then there is no point in worrying about what axanthic it is. It could easily be one that has no parallel in other snake species.

> there's at least one person claiming to have a hypomelanistic animal, so I was wondering what a triple homo with these traits would be called? Because I know that kenyans have snow and that if kenyans get a T- albino then it would be called blizzard(?), and albino x hypo is sunglow and axanthic x hypo is called ghost, so what would a hypo snow be called?

All these names are conventions used with corn snakes. BTW, amelanistic in the corn snake is tyrosinase negative. And some sunglows in corn snakes are selectively bred amelanistic without hypomelanistic. Blizzard corns are amelanistic charcoal. (Charcoal used to be called anerythristic type B, but charcoal is a MUCH better name.)

As far as I know, there is no widely agreed upon name for a corn snake that is amelanistic and anerythristic and hypomelanistic. I would call a sandboa that was homozygous for albino and axanthic and hypomelanistic an albino, axanthic, hypomelanistic. Or if that's too much of a mouthfull for you, then hypo snow. But there is a high probability that nobody will be able to tell the difference between a snow and a hypo snow without parentage data. If so, then both snows and hypo snows may just be called snows.

Then again, somebody may think up with a really sexy name that everybody wants to use. Perhaps alabastor, or iceglow, or perhaps something else even sexier.

Paul Hollander

meretseger Nov 11, 2003 03:24 PM

I think most people assume that KSB albinos are T on the basis of their color, which is brown to cream. Strangely, there ARE two types of albino, the other being paradox albino. This is the same color as regular albino, but black speckling appears randomly on the animal. There is only one type of anery.

We'll be overJOYED to make up our own name, though! Assuming we're the first to breed them.

Here's a pic of our cutest albino, just for reference.

>>>Hi, my wife and I are sandboa people and while Kenyans have albino (T I think)
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>>I don't know much about sandboas. But unless Dr. Bechtel or somebody has tested albino Kenyans for tyrosinase activity, there is no point to worrying about whether it's tyrosinase positive or negative. From what I've heard, nobody has tested any albino boid for tyrosinase activity. For that matter, are there two albino genes in Kenyans?
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>>> and axanthic (type 2 I believe),
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>>Are there two types of axanthic in sandboas? If not, then there is no point in worrying about what axanthic it is. It could easily be one that has no parallel in other snake species.
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>>> there's at least one person claiming to have a hypomelanistic animal, so I was wondering what a triple homo with these traits would be called? Because I know that kenyans have snow and that if kenyans get a T- albino then it would be called blizzard(?), and albino x hypo is sunglow and axanthic x hypo is called ghost, so what would a hypo snow be called?
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>>All these names are conventions used with corn snakes. BTW, amelanistic in the corn snake is tyrosinase negative. And some sunglows in corn snakes are selectively bred amelanistic without hypomelanistic. Blizzard corns are amelanistic charcoal. (Charcoal used to be called anerythristic type B, but charcoal is a MUCH better name.)
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>>As far as I know, there is no widely agreed upon name for a corn snake that is amelanistic and anerythristic and hypomelanistic. I would call a sandboa that was homozygous for albino and axanthic and hypomelanistic an albino, axanthic, hypomelanistic. Or if that's too much of a mouthfull for you, then hypo snow. But there is a high probability that nobody will be able to tell the difference between a snow and a hypo snow without parentage data. If so, then both snows and hypo snows may just be called snows.
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>>Then again, somebody may think up with a really sexy name that everybody wants to use. Perhaps alabastor, or iceglow, or perhaps something else even sexier.
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>>Paul Hollander
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Peter: It's OK, I'll handle it. I read a book about something like this.
Brian: Are you sure it was a book? Are you sure it wasn't NOTHING?

Paul Hollander Nov 11, 2003 07:16 PM

>I think most people assume that KSB albinos are T on the basis of their color, which is brown to cream. Strangely, there ARE two types of albino, the other being paradox albino. This is the same color as regular albino, but black speckling appears randomly on the animal. There is only one type of anery.

It's quite possible that both albinos are T positive.

>We'll be overJOYED to make up our own name, though! Assuming we're the first to breed them.

Got for it!

That is a mighty good looking albino KSB!

Paul Hollander

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