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We received this guy in a trade. He just keeps getting prettier and prettier. Is he something special or just something common? Ive had people email us in reference to our ad on k.com monitor classifieds and are totally rude saying he is "just" a blue nile monitor, nothing special and that we are clueless. By the way this person also used a bogus email addy to reply to us with so I cant reply to them. LOL We sent pics to Ben Siegal and he guessed "maybe" axanthic. Mitch @ Diamond Reptile saw him in person at the Hamburg PA show last month and guessed maybe hypo or ghost. He has brilliant shades of blue and white on him and a little black. We have had two offers on him of $1200 and $1400. If we are wrong and he is "just" a blue nile than we would like to know for sure. I would like to get some opinions from the monitor community. I have had one guy email wondering himself what it was because he has one identical to it.

Cheers!
Anja

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last one

Just one more pic of him, I agree he looks smiliar to the one posted below but not quite the same.....

Cheers

Anja

People are really mean here. In the future try www.varanus.nl This forum is drama central, in case you havent already noticed.

I would love to see what he looks like in 2 years.

Best Regards,
Michelle

I would also say that it is Axanthic, beautiful monitor.
Bawaa Herps

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Bawaa Herps
www.BawaaHerps.com
sales@bawaaherps.com
"Conservation through Captive Propagation"

I know ben seigel was selling his, as well as reptile haven... Snow Niles, now that would be cool.... If only you could selectively breed for temperment as well...

BM

All they need to do is find an albino female Ackie!!! Lol!!

Here is the site, it's in german, but you can get it translated if you find it through yahoo. I don't know of the progress that this guy has had with them, but it would be interested to see some morphs proven out in captivity. Tata for now,

BM

http://tools.search.yahoo.com/language/translation/translatedPage.php?tt=url&lp=de_en&url=http://www.terraristikladen.com/varanus_kingorum.htm

But as far as it being some color morph, well you'd have to prove it out. But by the pictures it looks like any other blue nile I have seen around. I used to have a few just like it. I wouldn't be suprised if it wasn't a locality specific. But then again we do see leucistic, and albino niles, so why not axanthics, hypos, and all the other names that fly around. He does appear to have some yellow coloring on him typically that is a color to get wshed out in a picture not a color the picture brings out itself. If he does have yellow coloring he cannot be a true axanthic. But once again the defention is not set in stone either.

I'd say prove him out and then offer a proven morph at a high price. Until then simply offer him as a nice looking nile at a reasonable price doesn't have to be cheap but atleast make sense for what people are getting.

Maybe Mark B. will be nice enough to look at it for you, he would be the one to ask about the locality.

Good Luck

Oh and maybe I should sell my High yellow nile, High black nile, and blue niles now that people are in the mood for them LOL

Hey guys and gals alike, this is James, Anja's fiance. First of all, not tryin to start an argument with the last reply to our nile, but he has no yellow on him what so ever. He is on cypress mulch at the moment and it did not help the color presentation in the pic. The only colors he has on him are blue, black, and white. Second of all, I would like to give a responce to all those who have emailed us negativly about the nile. The basic point from all these emails concluded that "myself and Anja must be idoits that have no idea that the nile we have is totally nothing at all." Well, to all these people who think so, where is your proof?? Have you taken the years of work to try and prove it out?? I know we havent. And we have not stated once that it IS Hypo, Ghost, or Axanthic. All we have done is suggessted that he may be. Who really knows unless you have actually put in all the years of work it would take to prove it out. I mean these people who say they have one just like him (and by the way, where are your pics to prove that???), so he cant be any morph?? OK?? I am lost on that comment. Just because you have one doesnt mean it is not a morph. But by all means, I am not saying that it is, I have no factual idea if it is, or any facts to base that it is. I hope that whoever gets him is able to prove him out. It could be another step in new genetics in monitors. So if you people who say we have nothing here, show me proof to back that up. Because if he is nothing special, I would like to know. I dont want to sale an animal to someone for a high price in his and my hopes that it may be something special. I prefer to go by the golden rule to some standard. Anyway, I hope you all have a good evening.

Thanks,
James
The luckiest man in the world to have a loving woman such as Anja. I hope you could all be so lucky.

As long as you don't misrepresent the animal, it is worth whatever someone is willing to pay for it.
In my opinion, it is a very pretty nile, but thats it.
Good luck and be careful how you advertise it.

My friend emailed you about having one that looks alot alike. Mason is shedding alot because his growth is no stop. Hes blue, black, white, and some light green on his stripes. I wouldnt call yours anything but a common nile, as my ornate went from pure black with white spots to a lacy pattern that was very bright white, and thin black striping before again changing to darker. Thats a young animal that will keep changing colors and darkness constantly.

To me they look nothing alike, Mason has alot more color and patterning on the sides and the colors although light(and very attractive I might add)on Masons back are alot more pronounced.The thing that is striking to me about Naja's is the brillance of the white, which normally means that the animal is definetly lacking a layer of color. Now as you stated, this might change as it matures, only time will tell.
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www.BawaaHerps.com
sales@bawaaherps.com
"Conservation through Captive Propagation"

"To me they look nothing alike, Mason has alot more color and patterning on the sides and the colors although light(and very attractive I might add)on Masons back are alot more pronounced."
Anyways, Ill try to get a pic after the shed, but he gets lighter every time. Other than the green stripes on his back they do look alot alike, but Ive seen Mason between sheds. The other big difference is Mason is much larger.

Ok, your animal appears to look similar to ours, but for the yellow in the pic and the green that you mention. Ours has NO other colors but blue, black, and white. And he has continued to get more and more white.

One thing i would like to add. All the emails about people having one like ours were writin to us in very negative terms. (Except one and hopfully that was your friend) Accussing us of not knowing anything about monitors, and what not. You should tell your friend to represent himself better, instead of making himself out to be very immature. I value others opinion, mainly because i dont know what the animal is. But I just dont understand how some people can blast us for not knowing anything just because we have suggested it MAY be something special. We have had this animal for awhile before we ever desided to post him, asking plenty of opinions, such as Mitch@Diamond Reptiles, Mardi Snipes, and Ben Seigel, just to name a few. And none of them knew what it was, just suggested what it may be. Which is all we have done.

Thanks,
James
The luckiest man in the world to have a loving woman such as Anja. I hope you could all be so lucky.

"You should tell your friend to represent himself better, instead of making himself out to be very immature."
Your fiancee responded back to my friend and he said nothing belittling to her or you. By the way theres no yellow on Mason, he lives in cyprus mulch. He is blue (very blue), black, and white with those strange green stripes. Hes shedding but if I can get a pic in between sheds, and he has gotten lighter with every shed with more white. Ill see if I have a pic of my old ornate that went from dark black with white spots to a bright white lacy pattern only thin black stripes and spots. Supposedly an ornate nile that a friend of mine has may be something different as he or she has a pink tongue with blue purple spots on it, but Ive seen a few of those in captivity.

I retract that statment. I am sorry for the uncalled quote I made. I actually had a misunderstanding. All responce I was refering to were from others. I was shown the one from your friend, and i accidentlly forgot. So I apologize for the belittling comment I made. He did not say anything out of line to us. I hope this clears the air.

My Apologies......
Thanks,
James
The luckiest man in the world to have a loving woman such as Anja. I hope you could all be so lucky.

P.S. We did have plenty of others that wanted to be immature about it all......lol

Yes SHvar has posted a pic of our nile(Mason) that I would have posted myself but I couldn't get the pics off of his camera. Our nile was about as light as yours then with a couple sheds began to get more color which was bright at first, but kept getting lighter with every shed. As far as being immature I wrote you an e-mail asking very politely to let me know if you found out what you had( Whether or not it was anything special) I even beleive I wished you luck with this endever. I do appologise for not posting our pic ourselves but as I said they were on his cam.

Bayou Beasts
Tony Barbush

Some yellow and mint green colors in the pictures. Whether that is the picture or not adding that I have no clue all I know is what I see in the pictures. Plus I know where the colors should be as I have had and raised plenty of niles.

I will give you one thing as saying the color that is missing or very faded is the gray background color that should be over the body underneath the pattern. Instead of haveing the blue or gray it has mostly white with what looks to be a mint green blue hue. Whether that makes this a special animal deserving of high dollar is upto the eye of the beholder. As has been stated just be sure to not misrepresent it and all is good. If I was selling it I would of simply said exceptionally colored nile make offers. I wouldn't even of suggested a color morph of anykind.

Oh one other thing is, Being a monitor they change alot over time as they grow. So one day it may not looking much like it does now. Or it may intensify it's colors who knows??

It is a very pretty nile and I wish it the best with it's life in captivity.

I agree I see some yellows and greens

That it may be your computer monitors? I looked over the pics with a fine toothed comb, no yellow to me. Maybe it's my monitor?

just stating the obvious.

hasta,
Jordan

Nah, Ive seen shades of yellow orange brown. Dont get me wrong its a very pretty nile, but maybe you should throw your fine toothed hair comb away.

That maybe you need glasses LOL j/k

Anyways yeah I have and I even mentioned above maybe it was the camera. However he said yea it is on cypress mulch. Well whats that got to do with it's back pattern haven a yellow hue to it?

I even mentioned that the defenition of axanthic means lacking yellow pigment rather then has none.

I merely am stating that with my experience with niles, they come in a variation of colors and patterns. I also know where the colors belong and along the back the rows of spots are yellow. If you look at the picture you'll see they have a yellow hue to them in those pictures. Especially when compared to the white on the sides that is truely white. Also where they should have gray as a background color this one lacks that and has more of a mint green. I really do not see much blue coloring though.

I do think it is a very nice looking nile.

iv got a nile that pretty much looks the same except mine has more blue on him. you cant always tell about his colors because he's constantly smeared with dirt/mud. its a nice looking nile but i wouldnt say he is anywhere near $12-1400. $120 max i'd say.

personally, I can't see all of the fuss about morphs and mutants, but now that you say yours looks just like this one, could we see a photo of it?

Nice looking lizard!

and hey what will 2 cents get you now a days anyways? A whole lot of opinions, that's about it...

To me it looks like an Axanthic, assuming you didn't miss any yellow coloration. Which seems unlikely. It looks like a VERY beautiful nile monitor. Here is my opinion on the whole issue.

The albino niles seem a bit ridiculously priced. Sure they are a main stream pet monitor, but not for it's attributes as a pet! They are a main stream pet monitor because of it's abundance, and ease in which exportation from it's habitat is allowed. I assume you got it in as a normal, since you traded for it, and also due to the fact that you didn't seem to have any idea you were getting such an animal until you noticed it didn't have yellow. Obviously, as you've noted you can NOT sell it as an axanthic....you haven't proven it to be. But you can sell it as an imported nile with the appearance of being axanthic. Then the logical question pops up, what is such an animal worth? Well, whatever someone is willing to pay for it. Your offers in the $1,200 to $1,400 range I suspect are at the top of what you will recieve for such an animal. The only reasons the albinos for sale, are offered at such high prices are as follows:

Few in existance.

Albino anything, whether rare or not is eye catching and notorious.

The people that have them, don't truly want to sell them!

Although it seems reptile haven, may have changed their intentions of keeping the nile morphs they have... although they seem a bit brainwashed by their previous claims at price and believe these animals are still worth the copious amounts of money they've been offering them at.

At any rate, if you want to have fun and tinker with a potential new morph do so... if you don't sell it. If you don't want to do either, call up Ben Siegel, Chris at Reptile Haven or the like, and see if they are interested in trying to breed their albino nile to your "axanthic" to see if you can produce some "dh" snow niles. I doubt either would be interested though(assuming they are of opposite sex from yours anyways.)

Even if it is an axanthic, the only value in the market place is to breed it to an albino. Then once you have snows, fantastic they are in existance. They will never be a hot commodity. You need, calm, easily housed, easily bred attractive animals in order to even consider starting a morph revolution in this hobby, and well Niles just don't have it. They are great lizards for what they are... pet's well few are that. Just because they are not what "PEOPLE" want, doesn't mean they aren't great for what they are though!

Good luck, and my suggestion is take the $1,200 and send $600 of it back to the guy you got it from! lol

As far as getting defensive and feeling insulted by the emails and posts against your claims at it... seems you need to toughen your skin a bit, and not make subtle jabs about people's relationships(James)... that's just my opinion though. They're like.. well you know what I mean, and everyone has one! Either way sell it or don't... but you should try to avoid using the forums in this manner, before a rule nazi comes around and makes sure you aren't trying to use this as propoganda to sell your "axanthic" nile

hasta,
Jordan

Jordan,

Since when have I ever tried to use the k.com forums to sell anything ive ever had? If your Jordan Russell than youve known me long enough to know better. I was only trying to get opinions from the monitor community. This guy has been with a private collector since he was a hatchling. He has always looked like this. When we saw him we knew we had to have him and did what we could to get him. We had something the gentleman was interested in so we worked out a trade deal. It wasnt a sight unseen trade deal. Our ad for him is already on k.com classifieds, why would I need to try and sell him here? I very rarely read the k.com forums anymore, just thought I would see if anyone on here knew what he might be. Thats ok though, I will go back to my hobbitt hole and not bother you guys again so that no one thinks im trying to peddle my wares around the forums.

Take care Kiddo,

Anja

Off topic-Just out of curiousity are you and "upchuck" on better terms now?

Howdy,

Nah I think maybe I bombarded you with my rant...I didn't mean that you WERE doing such a thing.(Trying to sell it via this forum.) Just that to be careful before the freaks come out of the woodworks and bash you for that too.

Long time no see by the way. How's South Carolina treating you?

Take it easy, I think I need to crawl back in my hole too.

See ya,
Jordan