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New cornsnake owner...

PhoenixZorn Nov 12, 2003 02:58 AM

A couple days ago, my mother-in-law found a cornsnake in her health center office... in Wisconsin. I have to say that it was a pet of one of the doctors, and not wild, since all of our native snakes have been dormant for a couple weeks now. This little guy is about 12-14 inches long, and looks to be a normal phase. Well, "Mom" decided she didn't want to keep it anymore, so I picked it up and brought it home. Being a baby, I have it in a 10 gallon tank with brown astroturf as a substrate... a large rock with a heat pad under the turf, and a full cage length driftwood that has multiple hiding places.

I know that all reptiles are inclined to snap, bite, strike, and be generally mean if they are scared or stressed, as I already own a pair of breeding bearded dragons and a pair of spotted turtles. (I guess I have a thing for Guttatas...) My own knowledge of reptiles is keeping me afraid of sticking my hand in the cage to examine the corn to make sure he's healthy. Top-down handling of my dragons is risky enough with all those sharp spikes and razor sharp teeth, though I have yet to be bitten, I often experience the "puff and poke" manuever.. =)

This little baby 12 inch long snake has got me staring down the headlights of an oncomming vehicle. So I have a few questions for the masses of people who have owned cornsnakes for longer than I've been alive... and the ones who are just plain experts.

1. How should a corn be handled?? I expect he'll nip the hell out of me a few times the first time I get the acorns to pick him up.

2. Does that first bite hurt like hell or does it just startle you? I am by no means timid when it comes to handling animals... my Sugar Gliders bite harder than most dogs when they are just exploring, so I know how to take the pain.

3. I saw a post about corns being arboreal... or having the capacity to be. Can I put him in a true arboreal cage with no ill effects? He is currently sleeping... or resting between the cage top and the locking cover.

4. He had his first feeding today since we've had him, of 2 pinkies... likely day old or 2 day old. He has held them both for a period of over 8 hours now, so I expect he'll keep them down for good. How often should he be fed, and should he be offered as many as he will eat, or should it be limited to 2 per feeding?

I think that's about it for now... everyone knows I'll have more questions later... I'll post a pic of him after this message.

Replies (9)

jsmallwood Nov 12, 2003 03:09 AM

a cornsnake that small probably couldnt even puncture your skin. mine is about 16 inches long and it doesnt hurt one bit. it might make you jump but that would be it. but you need to handle it or it will always be very nippy
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*John*

janome Nov 12, 2003 07:18 AM

I'm new to snakes too. I purchased my first corn (which, by the way, is the best snake for beginners ) in Feb 2003. It's a amel, female I think. I also have a ghost, male. I keep them both in their own 20 gal long tanks with under the tank heaters. In the day I have a light on the same side as the heater. This is their 'warm' side. My lights are on timers so they come on and off for a natural day/night cycle. I have a couple hiding places for them. I feed mine about every 7-10 days. My female eats 3 pinkies. She is about arms length, not including your hand. My male is arms length from sholder to tip of fingers. He's eating a fuzzie and a pinkie. Both mine were squermy when I first bought them. They were both around 12-14 inches long. You've got to handle them often so they get used to it.Mine have calmed down alot. (Remember your is basically a 'wild caught' baby and will be squermy.) I handle mine every couple days but not after they have just eaten. (I usually wait 2 days after feeding to handle them). When feeding I take them out of their enclosure and put them into another container. This way they won't eat any of their substrate and they won't get the idea that everytime you handle them they get to eat.
"The Corn Snake Manuel" by Bill and Cathy Love is an excellent book on corn snakes and their care. I hope you get as much enjoyment from your corn and I do mine.

cowtownherper Nov 12, 2003 08:47 AM

First off, welcome to the world of corn snakes. Now don't be afraid of your snake. He may nip at you ,but believe me it won't hurt at all. I've had snakes for about three years. I've got 9 corns and have never been biten by one. I've been biten by some of my pythons, and a three foot texas rat that bites me two or three times every time I get him out of his cage. It doesn't hurt. To me its just part of having snakes. When you handle your baby {as often as possible} be sure to let it crawl freely. Hand over hand. Try not to constrain its movement. Just be carefull they are really fast. When you are taking it out of it's tank talk to it to let it know who you are so you don't startle it then grab it before it can make a break for it. It will soon learn who you are and want to be taken out. Be sure you have the lid secured tight. Corn snakes are escape artist. good luck

collard_ghost Nov 12, 2003 10:01 AM

Handling should be done every few days, the best way i have found to handle my corn is to go in slowly, pet him for a minute and the pick. I suggest not to pic up your snake if you see he still has a lump from food. I have never been bitten by my four footer by i have been told that it's not worse then pinching yourself... so i expect a baby wouldn't be that hard. Corns are no arboreal by nature, the only reason they would climb tress in the wild is to escape predetors but since they are very curious animals, they may still climb to the top of the aquarium/enclosure. Like someone previously mentioned, it's very important that he cannot escape; if there's a hole the size of their head, they will most like be able to escape through it. I'm not too sure how often you should feed him pinkies (my snake was already on fuzzies when i got him) but if they eat too much, they will regurgitate (vomit) their food back up (only the excess food) and this is not a good idea since this may damage the inside of a corn and is apperently very disgusting to the owner. If he can take the feeding of 2 pinkies, that's good for him and this should be done about every week.
Also make sure your corn has a large water dish (soak entire body) and two hide spots, on near the heated area and the other in the cool area.

Hotshot Nov 12, 2003 11:16 AM

Here are some answers for your questions to help you have a happy snake.....


1. How should a corn be handled?? I expect he'll nip the hell out of me a few times the first time I get the acorns to pick him up.
2. Does that first bite hurt like hell or does it just startle you? I am by no means timid when it comes to handling animals... my Sugar Gliders bite harder than most dogs when they are just exploring, so I know how to take the pain.


When you pick him up, just be gentle with him. You can break the ribs of a snake that small if handled too hard. So dont squeeze him. Use both hands, put one in front of him and easily coax him into it and pick him up. Snakes dont have ears, so they cannot hear you, they do however feel the vibrations around them. So when you take the cover off of his enclosure he should be aware that something is going on.

If he nips at you, try not to pull away, baby snakes have very small teeth that can be broken. I know its instincts to jerk away from him, but if you have been bitten by a sugarglider, Ill guarentee the corn snake bite wont even be noticed!! A baby doesnt hurt.

Once you have him in your hands, he may become a little nervous and musk or evacuate his wastes on you. If this happens, dont put him back in his enclosure, if you do then he will become conditioned to do this everytime he wants back in his enclosure.


3. I saw a post about corns being arboreal... or having the capacity to be. Can I put him in a true arboreal cage with no ill effects? He is currently sleeping... or resting between the cage top and the locking cover.


Yes you can put him in an arboreal cage with no ill effects. Matter of fact, as long as he has a couple different hides (one on the warm end, and one on the cool end) he would be fine!
Just make sure whatever you put him in, there are no small holes or any way for him to escape. Baby snakes are super escape artists and can squeeze through holes you would never suspect they could!!!


4. He had his first feeding today since we've had him, of 2 pinkies... likely day old or 2 day old. He has held them both for a period of over 8 hours now, so I expect he'll keep them down for good. How often should he be fed, and should he be offered as many as he will eat, or should it be limited to 2 per feeding?


I feed all of my hatchlings 1 or 2 pinks every 3 - 4 days. A good rule of thumb on the size of the pinks is just a little larger than the largest diameter of your snake. Dont feed more than 2 pinks, or you could run the risk of regurge. If he gets to the point that pinks are no longer big enough, or he seems to be hungry after the pinks, start his next meal on small fuzzies (peachies as some people call them). Start him out on one, and then gradually move him up to 2 at a time. And then move him up to larger fuzzies, and continue to up the size as he grows.

As a rule, dont pick him up or handle him within 24-48 hours after feeding. The stress could cause him to regurge. I give my snakes 2 days after feeding before I handle them.

Do you have the heat pad under his cage or inside the cage? It should be outside under the cage to keep him from getting burned.

Some other info to help as well....
Snakes dont need a full spectrum light as with lizards. They get the calcium from the bones of the mice. However in order to keep the ambient temps up in the cage if need be, a 40 watt light will help. Just make sure it doesnt get too hot, and it is not where the snake can get burned.

The temps in the cage should be 72-75 cool end, and no more than 85 on the warm end.

Get you a couple of temp gauges and put one on each end of the enclosures so you can monitor the temps.

Make sure he has a hide or two, this will give him someplace to retreat to and feel "safe". Snakes like their hides to be cozy and confined, so anything big enough fof him to get into, and just small enough to be confined within will work.

I used to keep my snakes on the green reptile astro-turf stuff. But soon made the switch over to shredded aspen. Just alot easier to clean and cuts the smell down considerably. If you decide to use shredded aspen, make sure it is and not cedar. Cedar oils are toxic to snakes.
I buy mine at Wal-Mart in the big bags, pretty cheap and they go along ways.

Sounds like a lot of stuff, but since you already are into reptiles, and once you get this little guy established, you will really enjoy him.

And be forewarned, snakes are VERY addictive!!!! It always starts out with "just this one, thats all, just one" !! LOL

Good luck and keep us posted on the little guy, and post a pic when you can.
Happy Herping
Brian

PhoenixZorn Nov 12, 2003 10:56 PM

On the subhect of whether or not the UTH is outside the tank, no, but it is under both the carpet and a 3/4inch thick slab of heavy rock. The surface temp of the rock is currently 85 degrees, and the air temp about 3 inches above the rock is 75 degrees.

Hiding places include the driftwood, which sits partially over the rock, and extends the length of the tank, places inside the driftwood (not small crevices, but caves) and the top edge of the tank... which seems to be his favorite spot.

I figured as much about the weakness of the bites, but I wanted to be sure before handling him too much. His water bowl is a ceramic Creme Brulle dish that would easily fit a 2 foot long corn.

As for pictures, I had computer trouble last night, and am currently installing my picture software over Win2k AS.... had XP Pro on last night, and needless to say, my computer doesn't like it at all.

Pictures to follow, 2 in "natural" settings, and a third on white paper for contrast, as he kinda blends in with the brown carpet.

Hotshot Nov 13, 2003 09:54 AM

and on your way to having a healthy corn. Good luck and looking forward to seeing some pics.
Brian

meretseger Nov 12, 2003 05:15 PM

cornsnakes have NO jaw pressure (I've been lucky enough to be nipped by beardies). Honestly, he might bite you and you might not even know if you don't see him. Of course, if he musks, you'll know about it. Even as an adult the bites won't really hurt.
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Peter: It's OK, I'll handle it. I read a book about something like this.
Brian: Are you sure it was a book? Are you sure it wasn't NOTHING?

PhoenixZorn Nov 12, 2003 11:40 PM

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