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She's mostly black and grey ( Silver ) with bright yellow along the back with some blushing. Were thinking Paradox axantic???

Hiss and Hers Pythons

I'm thinking it looks more like white-sided.. except axanthic sided! Paradox mutations usually have a more random distribution, but of course you could call it whatever you wanted.
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Peter: It's OK, I'll handle it. I read a book about something like this.
Brian: Are you sure it was a book? Are you sure it wasn't NOTHING?

Is your quote at the bottom from Family Guy ?????
Loved that show it was outrageous.
If not, I still go on record as a big fan of the toon.
TomChambers

I remember the episode! They just released a new set of episodes on dvd and they included the one that was banned! Im not meretseger, but I love Family Guy!!!! ( almost better than South Park)

almost better than south park???? way better than southpark

family guy insults everyone hehehehe wish upon a weinstien what a great episode!!!

They are on two totally different levels,but they are both way too funny. I will have to say I have seen more funnier episodes of the Family Guy than of South Park but I still love my SP and Cartman RULES!!
What about the episode where Brian travels to Amsterdam.....? That was hilarious!!! My favorite one of all.

I've been thinking about it every time I read one of meretseger's posts. I wasn't sure if it was monty python or family guy, but tonight it hit me. What was the episode that was banned??
I'll have to look into that DVD.
TomChambers

its wish upon a weinstien!!!
its soooooooo funny
peter gets a jewish person to look after his money
and then try's to convert chris to a jew so he can be successful
if you ever see it you;ll see why it was banned

All my favorite shows are cartoons.... they're just good!
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Peter: It's OK, I'll handle it. I read a book about something like this.
Brian: Are you sure it was a book? Are you sure it wasn't NOTHING?

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Thats definitely the most interesting axanthic I've ever seen, that is amazing. Good luck proving it out and making a sweet new line. Thats nuts, what'd you breed to get that?
http://www.ball-pythons.net

I had a couple do that. I also have a freind who had one just like it but it was het albino. All were normal ball pythons. Then in one shed they became the best looking axanthic adulkts out there.
It has happened to several people....
Especially in Miami for some reason.
They start off losing a bit of color here and there hardly noticeable and then wham, they are black and grey. Now once they reach this stage they change. Each shed they get more blackish color in the grey and felcklings of a weird yellow/white color.
You will see in a few sheds she will look totally different than that pic. She still has to lose the rest of that brown though.
They end up looking a little like "dirty joe" that Ralph Davis has.
Mike
M n R-Reptile
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"Quality isn't Quality without customer service so I guess I sell quality"

I wonder if it could be a disease or a parasite or a reaction to a medication or something like that?

Do you see any patterns about when this happens? Does it tend to happen at a particular weight or any such indication that it might be genetic?

Also, do these guys shed clear at any stage?

Here is an import I purchased this summer. Kind of wished I had held out for more answers on her history (like exactly when she was imported and if she had changed appearance since being imported).

Here is what she looked like just under 700 grams back in August:

Here is what she looks like now at a little over 1,100 grams:

I was hoping mine hatched out black and white but I don't know enough of her history to know if it would be possible for anyone to know that. Knowing if the others shed clear or not would also help to figure out if she is the same thing or something different (I believe that Dirty Joe did shed clear back when he was black and white if I understood Ralph correctly on that point).

I hope there isn't someone in Miami making these using some toxic chemical or organ removal and then circulating them into the trade.

LOL. No on one in Miami is causing this onpurpose.
There are many theories.
One is the snake is allergic to aspen or other type of bedding.
In one shipment alone, 6 snakes turned black and white.
Two were sold to pet shop customers as regular baby ball pythons, the other four were in someones collection that rasies balls for a few months and the sells them when no more babies come in.
All 6 were kept on if i am not mistaken aspen bedding.
Being from saem shipment, etc...they COULD be related and allergic to aspen casuing the decoloration.
OR it could be something genetic like an IMG but inst4ead it is a DMG(decreasing melanin gene) then changes into a IMG,
They all have the general same look once the changes are complete and change every so slightly from then on.
It is weird but one snake in Miami was from a captive collection(the largest albino collection in the southern US)_and a het albino ball yearling was sold to a freind of mine. First shed he had(also on aspen) it turned black and white with brown here and there.
Very unusual whats going on but there have been enough of them to make me think it is a random occurence. But dont be misled, random occurences are also albinos, etc.....you can have a pair of 100% normal ball pythons with no genes for albinism produce an albino, the dna got screwed up somehow(that one in a million chance) and you get an albino, I have heard it happen with pastels and ghosts. SO in short terms this gene can be isolated and bred out to produce those funky looking older snakes.
I am not saying it will be genetic, just the possibility of randomness is there.
Mike

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"Quality isn't Quality without customer service so I guess I sell quality"

Thanks for all the information! Lots to think about.

How about the sheds, are they clear at any point in the "Miami sudden onset axanthic syndrome"?

Where did you get her? I have a photographic snake memory and I saw a snake exactly like her on someone's Kingsnake photo album. She was a het albino, and I remember reading that she was stolen with some of his other snakes, when he was asked to post more pics of her since she was so awesome! That would be weird if it is the same snake. If it is not, I would still look in to it to see if they had some relation to eachother, because she is one nice looking ball python. Good luck, and know that I am not trying to say anything except that she looks like the snake.

Here is the link to the snake. Very nice, and if it is genetic, that would be awesome!

http://gallery.pethobbyist.com/index.pl?photo=94022

That is not the same snake. I don't have a great memory, but I enjoy the challenge of comparing photo's and identifying the differing characteristics. The photo you posted........the second dorsal saddle/spot is very near the first. The snake photo'd up top of this thread has at least a 1 to 1 1/2 inch break between the first and second dorsal saddle/spot.

Both beautiful snakes. Amazing how similiar they look isn't it!

She wasn't stolen or anything, but a totaly different animals. And yes she is amazing, thanks. Here is another picture of her enjoy.

Hiss and Hers Pythons

I too noticed the difference once put side by side. Very odd coloration. There can't be that many out there like them, and I wonder what's going on genetically........ I would love to have some nice ball pythons like her. I thaught I had some unique looking normals, but then pics like this show up and blow them away!
So did she look normal at one time and slowly fade with shed to a yellow backed axanthic?

Again, no harm intended
Evan Vellios

Enjoy..

CRAZY! Now people people have something to look forward to when they stare in to their collection to see if they have any new morphs, and come up with nothing.........Maybe tomorrow they will have a yellow hypo axanthic! The down side is as we all get older and our vision goes bad, and we start seeing things that aren't there, we might wake up one day and say "WOW!" Just to find out later after we had our coffe and put our glasses on that nothing has chaged. Very cool little snake there......turned in to an awesome adult. I just double checked my adult females, and they seem to look better every day, but I also like them that much more the more I work with ball pythons. Thanks for sharing!
Evan Vellios

Thanks Evan! She's not an adult yet, but it will be interesting to see if she stays this way or changes again. Good luck on your projects as well.

Thats the snake I am talking about int he other posts of mine....
sadly yes she was stolen along with about 300,000.00 dollars worth of his other ball pythons and about 50,000.00 of mine.
Still havent recovered from that.....
he also had the only pair of yellowbellyx yellowbelly that probably produces the ivory ball, the female was stolen 4 days before she laid her eggs
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"Quality isn't Quality without customer service so I guess I sell quality"

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Got Bats?

me with your Balls!lol
Very nice animals.
Greg

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definitely unusual!!! Paradox Axanthic is a perfect name.
Greg
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We thought we had something unique, but we can see others have also experienced this transformation of a ball python. We'll try to answer most of the above questions. Yes she,s a captive bred not an import, did we breed her no, and no she didn't always look like that, if she had I sure she would not have been for sale or that we could even afford her! Is she genetic? we don't know but we can hope since its happened a few times already who knows, but if she's not she's still a nice looking ball python. Is it permanent, only time will tell. She looked like a normal ball python for about 9 months, picture included in post and after 1 shed, she looks the way she does now, it wasn't gradual at all, will she stay this way, we hope so. Again thanks for all your feedback and coments.

Enjoy!

Thanks again.