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Here are Lena & Ole, the latest additions to my family. Got them from Kevin Gilmore a couple of weeks ago and they are wonderful! He wasn't sure what type they were. JohnE thinks they may be blue stars. What do you guys think?

Yes I thought they looked like bluestars also. Very Pretty, Good luck with them, come spring, thier may be alot of new members, LOL Eve

I just thought I'd check in and see if you might have posted a photo of them and whatdyaknow...they look very happy, Susan...which makes me feel the same.

Kevin Gilmore
Link to my site

These two have wonderful personalities and since they seem to be blues (my favorites!) as well, I feel exremely fortunate. Thanks again, Kevin, they're doing great!

i can see they would seem to be bluestars,mainly because there blueish which is all that pretty much qualifies you to be a bluestar

the only collared lizards that officially qualify as "bluestars" are those bred in captivity by Mike McCambridge, since he's the guy who coined the term (and may have exclusive rights to it, as well). "Bluestar" is really only a trade name, not a color description for selected specimens of C. collaris or other Crotaphytus species...

Brock

...someone who knows him should ask if he intends to "defend" whatever rights he feels he has to the name, as it is rapidly slipping into the generic as a popular shorthand description of a particular color pattern. I 'know of' localities in Texas that have this pattern naturally occurring in the wild, but I will be happy to substitute another descriptive phrase when referring to this phenotype if Mike intended it to be ONLY used for his own stock exclusively. If there is a trademark involved, I'll not use the term again

DonC.
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I've got the blues...LOL...them screamin' yellow-head blues...

Yes, I chose "BlueStar" as a tradename to sell my babies. I chose it because my adult males become a vivid turquoise blue when they mature. It is flattering that some appear to be using it. I wonder if those using it are selling babies bred off those that originated with me.

I am engaged in a hobby, not a business here. Selling the babies never fully covered the expenses of keeping the lizards and raising the babies to a size that would best assure they would survive. One little rule of life for me is that one should never do anything they really enjoy for money, as the enjoyment will diminish over time.

I do have misgivings about some people who are not producing quality animals using the name BlueStar, as it could act as a detriment to me selling my own. Bottom line is, though, that I would have to file suit to protect the name, and I am too busy paying for the feeding, clothing, shelter, education, hockey, basketball, and soccer for three boys (as well as feeder insects for the lizards) to do that.

The world is populated with many dishonest, unfair, or unscrupulous people (which is why one out of every 250 Americans is a lawyer). I thank John for telling me of this discussion, but I can do nothing to protect the name "BlueStar." I only write this because I think there are far more people around who are upright and honest.

If you want to contact me, e-mail: blue8star@aol.com. Be sure your tag line does not look like spam.

Blue8star wrote:

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I thank John for telling me of this discussion, but I can do nothing to protect the name "BlueStar."

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Well sure you can, at least for some of us. I'll pretend you did register the name "BlueStar" and no longer use it in describing any lizards I have, since nothing I own currently has anything to do with your guys. The situation as far as people selling offspring derived from your lines is going to be a tad fuzzier, but in my mind its similar to what we see in show dog kennel names: Only stock actually bred by the owner of the kennel is entitled to use the kennel name in advertising the pups, even if both the sire and dam are 100% acquired FROM that kennel. You are purchasing the expertise of that particular BREEDER of pups, not simply a random cross of a well known bloodline. I'll start referring to mine as "Texas Saphires" or something LOL. I'm after the purest blue color possible. I MAY still use the term "Brownstar" when describing some of my ....uh ...plainer females LOL! Appreciate your input, stop by more often!

DonC.

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I've got the blues...LOL...them screamin' yellow-head blues...

Sure looks like one of mine. Amazing similarity. Odd thing is that the original male has yellow on his head. Only the progeny have no yellow, which is what I suppose is largely responsible for the blue color. E-mail me about the lizards and the use of the name. blue8star@aol.com

you name slingers are all going to jail, and they are shutting down this forum LOL. Just kidding. I'm sure he will respond in due time...I linked this topic, so check back if you want to know.

J

he might check out, since THEY sort of run the show on such matters. The fee is $335 as near as I can tell, and the term needs to be searched for the specific use. I can find 31 instances of the mark being registered for other uses, and about half are "dead", expired or abandoned. Nothing registering a "brand" of lizards LOL, but that was a trivial search of the TESS site.

The "Class" looks like it would be a type 31 covering...

"Agricultural, horticultural and forestry products and grains not included in other classes; live animals; fresh fruits and vegetables; seeds, natural plants and flowers; foodstuffs for animals; malt."

He would be eligible to register it from his "use in commerce" it would seem, but then, IANAL etc etc. What a ripping adventure!

LOL

DC
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I've got the blues...LOL...them screamin' yellow-head blues...

for doing a bit of "detective work" on the subject of trademarks, etc. I have absolutely no idea whether Mike has any legal rights to the "bluestar" moniker. I seem to recall him marketing a type of sand a while back using a similar name, but I could be mistaken. Perhaps the man himself will clear this up for us shortly... From my own standpoint, the only concern I have with the casual use of colorful terms such as "bluestar" and "aquaflame" is that they can be potentially misleading to the novice collared lizard enthusiast. Those unfamiliar with Crotaphytus taxonomy may readily assume such names represent unique color or pattern types in collared lizards. I have had folks inquire about my beautiful "bluestars", only to discover that they were actually referring to my C. dickersonae...

Brock

it was filter sand too...same type of stuff I've been using ;P

John

ive been misinformed then,lets just call em blue thingumyjigs but then again that sounds so much more drab than "bluestar"