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fake rocks

sean1234 Nov 15, 2003 06:29 PM

ive found a good site about making these but have 2 ?s hopefully somebody can answer them cuz you seem to know a lot about them.
1 can i use sanded tile grout or sanded thin set to cover the Styrofoam ithink thats what they ment in the websites i found.
2 after this dries do i have to seal it or not
i will be using these in either a bearded dragon cage and or leopard gecko

websites i found i want mine to look more like 2nd website.
http://www.reptilerooms.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Sections&file=index&req=viewarticle&artid=34&page=1

http://gallery.reptilerap.com/showphoto.php?photo=810

thanks

Replies (3)

skyliner Nov 16, 2003 01:20 PM

polystyrene and tile grout is that neither work well together,the poly is messy to cut/snap and shape and the grout is too thick to work with.Also the collareds are stronger than they look and can dig into the grout,which isnt good because polystyrene is highly toxic.If your patient and are willing to layer the grout and sand it alot it might work,but seeing as my attempt this year didnt go so well im gonna go with a different approach.Cement and expanding foam,same technique as before just different,more resilient materials.Hope this helps and if your lucky jesper may be able to help you more as he has the best fake rocks i ever seen but ive not seen him around lately.
see yah
jason

DC Nov 16, 2003 03:41 PM

...enters the building. I will have to take a small exception to the word "toxic" relating to the styrofoam materials. The plastic itself is "safe" enough to be used in a variety of human-food-grade containers, and the ever present disposable coffee cup would be the best example. It is approved to serve scalding hot acidic liquids, which would be a major no-no if there was any inherent toxicity to the plastic foam material. Now I CAN agree there may be a risk of a lizard getting a mechanical blockage from ingesting the loose beads of styrofoam, should they have access to a bare spot in the mortared material. I have tried standard masonry mortar as well as the thin-set sanded grout, and both materials seem to produce a very hard and durable shell over the foam, if properly mixed, applied in sufficient thickness and cured. Inspection of the finished surface is pretty important, as its possible to get a thin coverage in spots which will probably NOT cure as hard and could be punctured somehow. I'd say the temps during the cure are worth noting, as some of these mortar materials are ruined if exposed to freezing temps before complete curing. The handfull of fakes I've played with so far are VERY hard shelled and could NOT be damaged by anything a collared lizard could do. I have looked at sites which use the 'aerosol' cans of expanding foam, and if they are anything like some of the materials I've used in the pattern shop, you might want to look over the ingredients of THOSE materials pretty closely, as some of them actually could have toxic chemicals present. If you have any information you can cite (and post) on the toxicity of "ordinary" styrofoam, I'd certainly like to see it.

DC
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skyliner Nov 16, 2003 04:06 PM

of evidence to back the claims of the toxicity of styrofoam,what i failed to mention was i meant if ingested it can be poisonous but again this was purely what people have fore warned me about,i personally havent had collared eat the styrofoam but they did manage to break through the tile grout which i purchased ready mixed,but i suppose it could be as you said,a thin layer of grout.But hey,i suppose theres something here for me to learn,thanxAbout the expanding foam,although i never thought of the toxicity of it,i was more going towards the plyability of it,and the mortar was for the strenght which should keep the collared at bay,lol.Anyway thanks for your input and maybe i will look into the ingredients of the spray-foam just incase.
see yah
jason

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