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I recall seeing a product that could be painted on the top of a tub to create a barrier that couldn't be climbed by insects. I believe it was silicon. I have tried searching on about everything I can think of and cannot find this product. All I can find is a new product that is similar to vaseline, sticky and needs to be re-applied. I really hate working with vaseline as I tend to get it all over me! Besides, I am trying to come up with a way to confine some varmits in a pan for my dragons to feed from and I don't think I want vaseline all over them and the enclosure.

Anyone know what I'm talking about?
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Marcia - FroggieB Dragons
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I believe its called Bug Barricade.. just do a search for that and you should find it.
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Lucien

1.0 Columbian Redtail Boa (BCI)
2.1 Leopard geckos (2 Blizzard and 1 het Blizzard)
0.1 Savannah Monitor
13 rats
12 Gerbils
2 Dogs
3 cats
1 Albino Corey (fish)

Thanks a bunch! I found it called Bug Stop at crickets.com.

But first I searched the archives and found a post suggesting using liquid teflon from the hardware store. I work across the street from a true value so I'm gonna compare the price.

Marcia
FroggieB.com

o>>I believe its called Bug Barricade.. just do a search for that and you should find it.
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>>Lucien
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>>1.0 Columbian Redtail Boa (BCI)
>>2.1 Leopard geckos (2 Blizzard and 1 het Blizzard)
>>0.1 Savannah Monitor
>>13 rats
>>12 Gerbils
>>2 Dogs
>>3 cats
>>1 Albino Corey (fish)

WOOOHHAAA Do not use liquid teflon!!!!There are studie that are fairly new that show the toxicity of teflon. I think the study was it being lethal to birds but I can't be sure. I just woke up from a heavy dose of NyQuil (damn flu), so I haven't had the chance to look for a link for you but PLEASE make sure it's not lethal to your reptiles first otherwise a few escaped bugs will be the least of your worries.
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Chantel a.k.a. sillygirl
"I came, I saw, I adopted"

2.4.0 green anoles (Stumpy (M)), and the rest remain nameless.
2.2.0 green tree frogs (Romeo & Juliet, Bonnie & Clyde)
0.0.3 D. tinctorius (Cobalt froglets)
0.0.1 Anerythristic 'B' (Charcoal)corn snake (Popcorn)
0.0.1 Snow Corn (KandyKorn)
0.2 Amel Corns (KornSilk & KornMuffin)
0.0.1 Giant African Millipede
2.4 Domestic house cats (Bad Boy (m), Bart(m),Sasha(F),Little Bit(F),Spirit(F)
1.0 Rottweiler (Jake)
1.2 Rats (new additions with no names yet)
1.0 Husband (David, who loves all my critters too)

The report I heard was for Teflon pans and that if they get too hot while cooking the fumes can kill birds and give people a Teflon flu that lasts a few days. They didn't mention other animals, or reptiles, but I could emagine that it would effect them too. I've never heard of liquid Teflon, nor do I recall it being mentioned in this report. I think it was on 20/20 or Dateline, or something.

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MissHisssss

You are absolutely correct (except that the research isn't all that new). I raise birds for a living and it was proven about 15 years ago that overheated nonstick cookware does this. (the pet bird industry fought DuPont to place warnings in all their nonstick cookware boxes for many years.) The lungs, air sacs, and internal airways become blistered and the birds die very, very quickly. In fact, it was discovered because someone overheated a pan and all their birds in their house died in order of the placement of their cages. The cage nearest the stove contained the first to die. The owners watched all their birds die in a matter of minutes. Non heated Teflon should be no problem, even if ingested. It is only the gas that is given off of severly overheated teflon that is the problem. (It has happened to many people, and only when the pans ran dry or were empty with the heat on, as far as I am aware.)

Rodney

Yeah, I had heard about it, I was mainly responding to the other post, and to mention that reports are surfacing again on the subject. Actually, I think the fumes got to me too. I have CFS/EBV and I have a bad immune system cuz of it, and now I wonder if my last two episodes of the weirdest and most horrendous cough I've ever had, along with very bad flu symptoms, was caused by the Teflon pan I had accidently left on a hot burner right around when I came down with these symptoms the past two months. Bottom line.... if it's that dangerous, why is it allowed on the market? The same for Nuti Sweet which is one molecule away from being a fuel oil, and magarine which is one molecule away from being plastic. Oooooo stop me now, before I drag out the rest of my list.

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MissHisssss

I understand that was one of the main reasons why it was so hard to get them to put the warnings into their products. If they put in the warnings about bird poisionings, it could open them up to other possible lawsuits (many of which would be fraudulent) and it could also cut into their sales due to the consumers fears about those warnings.

The exact chemical responsible is called: polytetrafluoroethylene

I don't know why they come up with such a small word for it, I guess that is why most people call it Teflon!

If you do an internet search, using a search engine with polytetrafluoroethylene poisioning you will get a lot of other info on it.

Rodney

What a word... polytetrafluoroethylene. Geesh. If you'll notice that in the middle of that word is the word FLU. Ironic. Thanks for the info. I check on it.

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MissHisssss

You are very welcome. Good luck with your health problems.

Rodney

Speaking of flu.....(I've been laid up with it all weekend)

Thanks for keeping the discussion going, I was unsure HOW the Teflon was poisonious I just heard it was and didn't want someone to go killing off animals becuase they didn't know.
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Chantel a.k.a. sillygirl
"I came, I saw, I adopted"

2.4.0 green anoles (Stumpy (M)), and the rest remain nameless.
2.2.0 green tree frogs (Romeo & Juliet, Bonnie & Clyde)
0.0.3 D. tinctorius (Cobalt froglets)
0.0.1 Anerythristic 'B' (Charcoal)corn snake (Popcorn)
0.0.1 Snow Corn (KandyKorn)
0.2 Amel Corns (KornSilk & KornMuffin)
0.0.1 Giant African Millipede
2.4 Domestic house cats (Bad Boy (m), Bart(m),Sasha(F),Little Bit(F),Spirit(F)
1.0 Rottweiler (Jake)
1.2 Rats (new additions with no names yet)
1.0 Husband (David, who loves all my critters too)

Oh boy do I agree with you! I don't even use teflon. I never liked it because the teflon my mom used always scratched and peeled. It seemed to me that this was a breeding ground for all sort of things. Some time ago there was a report about scratched teflon cookware giving off gases that have been found to be carcinogenic. In my opinion this just isn't a good mix with food!

Thanks to all for your input on this!
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Marcia - FroggieB Dragons
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