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This is pathetic. I am absolutely FLOORED that the moderators are given this degree of power. I am not a person that stirs things up. Do a search by my user name, and you'll see all the posts I've ever made on this forum. I don't slam people, I don't name call. I also don't sit back and watch bad things happen without saying anything, and believe me, this is a bad thing.....
Does KS realise that the people they are alienating are BREEDERS, as well as regular Joes like you and me?
I understand TOS, and enforcing it is a good thing. There was a person a while back that posted the F word in a ton of threads just to be a troll. That is cause for deletion. Advertising in inappropriate forums, fine, remove the posts. But deleting a whole FORUM because the users are showing a vote of solidarity?? That is babyish and extreme.
You're not going to have a forum for long like this.
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1.1 Ball Python 0.0.1 corn snake 1.0 Bearded Dragon
0.0.2 fish 1.2 cats 3.1 kids 1.0 husband and now...
0.0.1 Pink Zebra Beauty Tarantula

Agreed. I'm no huge breeder, but I produce some 250 snakes per year (which I'd love to advertise) but really enjoy the boards for education, meeting folks with similar interests, and offering advise for newcomers who seem to have a real caring to keep healthy specimens. But I've been "BLEEPED" just for typing in a company name, or in one instance; even a guys' LAST name!!! That should be exclusively for curse words or inappropriate postings. Heck, you can't even complain about them if you can't type the WORD! It keeps honesty and opinions absolutely censored. The first amendment seems to be being trampled upon on this site, and I for one would love to see that changed.

You have no constitutionally guaranteed right to speak freely on a privately owned website! This isn't a city park, or the steps of the State Capitol building. This is a privately owned website, with their own TOS, and approved topics of discussion. If they don't like what you are saying or the way you are saying it, they are free to edit, move, or delete anything they see fit. If you don't like it, you are free to leave. Spouting off about your "rights" just makes you look ignorant. Go to college, and learn about what you are trying to preach about. If you want to voice your opinion on the internet, set up your own website, and spew forth whatever garbage you want.
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Randy
www.ball-pythons.net

You certainly are feeling very free to spew forth your garbage. Wow, even suggesting that I lack a college education. Agreed, it's no constitutional issue in the sense that we are being being denied freedom of expression by our government, but wait... then again in a sense we are; aren't we?

freedom of expression on KS?

>>You certainly are feeling very free to spew forth your garbage. Wow, even suggesting that I lack a college education. Agreed, it's no constitutional issue in the sense that we are being being denied freedom of expression by our government, but wait... then again in a sense we are; aren't we?
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Randy
www.ball-pythons.net

Randy:
The forums are places for discussion among herpers. I understand that it is privately owned. Sure, they could delete every post that didn't end with "Praise to Kingsnake" if they so chose. I never read the posts that got the whole ball python forum temporarily removed, and perhaps would see the issue differently had I read them BEFORE THEY WERE DELETED. You by no means tried to bring about an adult discussion by name-calling and suggesting I'm an uneducated man. So I've slept on this one, before saying something likely to get me banned.

My "censorship" problem with KS is this: I can suggest Kathy Love or Don S. to someone interested in buying a cornsnake, but the other big breeder's name gets "BLEEPED". Even if I had something negative to say about him, you can't even submit his name. Seems unfair, and I know he used to advertise on this website. What kind of personal fight has occured between JeffB and "Bleep" I do not know the details of, and have little interest in.

The moderators of KS and the "bleeping" system restrict what you can say when trying to helpfully answer a post, and it goes way beyond foul language and trolling. The "bleep" is the "governing system" I take issue with. I'd be very interested in a list of every word considedered "bleepable". Sure, I can find another site, and have. But that has nothing to do with members being unhappy with serious posts being bleeped as if they'd just had a cursing fit. Perhaps what happened in the BP forums was very different, like I said, I didn't see it. I have never been a disrespectful poster or name-caller on these boards, have always tried to offer helpful suggestions, and have found myself "bleeped". I wrote the administrator a friendly Email questioning why, which was never answered. This is the only reason I took issue with ks, and the only reason I tended to side with the angry posts. The wrongful assertions that I am uneducated and so forth in no way inclined me to consider your side on the issue. Either I am missing something (which is very likely) or we should agree to disagree.

"The first amendment seems to be being trampled upon on this site, and I for one would love to see that changed."

This was the statement I was taking issue with. It upsets me when people try to talk about the law, or their rights, either spouting wrong information, or without knowing what they are talking about. That is why I responded the way I did.
I do not disagree with you about the BLEEP issue. I don't like it either.
I apologize for the assertation that you are uneducated. I was very busy defending myself and spewing forth my own garbage last night, and was frusterated. I have some background in the legal system, and when people make wrong statements about the Constitution, it rubs me wrong.

The reason the forum got deleted was because there were around 300 posts from different people posting "DEAD". That was the text of the messages. Nothing to do with Ball Pythons, just taking up webspace, and interfering with the orderly running of a website designed to help people. That is why it was deleted, because the mods needed time to wade through all those posts and delete the ones that needed deleted.

Again, I apologize for the personal attack. That is not normally my style.
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Randy
www.ball-pythons.net

You took the words right out of my mouth. This whole thing really got fueled when people started preaching about their "first amendment" and censorship, not realizing that it doesnt apply in the least on this forum. If they didnt like the way the site was operating they could have chosen to have elsewhere, not ruin it for everyone else.

"We" didn't ruin it for you, KS mods did. They could have banned the "We" that caused all the "problems", but did they? Nope they decided to delete everything.
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- Joel Smith

"If you're not part of the solution, you're still part of the problem"

"You" did ruin it for everyone. KS mods don't have time to ban every single one of you trolls, so the answer was to shut down the forum. "You" accomplished your goal, now go over to Ralphie's place and bask in each others glory.

>>"We" didn't ruin it for you, KS mods did. They could have banned the "We" that caused all the "problems", but did they? Nope they decided to delete everything.
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>>- Joel Smith
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>>"If you're not part of the solution, you're still part of the problem"
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Randy
www.ball-pythons.net

They removed it as a CONSEQUENCE of the immaturity, ignorance, and just plain stupidity of those who insist on veering off the topic and starting uneccesary fights. If people posted constructive things regarding BP's husbandry, breeding, health, etc this wouldnt have happened. THats not my opinion, its an obvious fact. By the way, why are you getting so defensive? Are YOU one of those people that everyone here is referring to for violating the TOS that caused this????

My ball pythons eyes are blue!!! WTF!! What do i do?

Substrate? Newspaper or astroturf, or chain link?

Live or frozen?

Repeat...

>>They removed it as a CONSEQUENCE of the immaturity, ignorance, and just plain stupidity of those who insist on veering off the topic and starting uneccesary fights. If people posted constructive things regarding BP's husbandry, breeding, health, etc this wouldnt have happened. THats not my opinion, its an obvious fact. By the way, why are you getting so defensive? Are YOU one of those people that everyone here is referring to for violating the TOS that caused this????
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- Joel Smith

"If you're not part of the solution, you're still part of the problem"

You forgot that one.

Sorry meant to post logged onto the constrictor1 username.
heh heh

Then you'd know if I was or if I wasn't, correct?
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- Joel Smith

"If you're not part of the solution, you're still part of the problem"

Goodnight Joel.

Goodnight
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- Joel Smith

"If you're not part of the solution, you're still part of the problem"

MY original message had nothing to do with "Constitutional rights" or anything of the sort. This IS a privately owned forum. It's also supported by advertising.....funny, but the people who you say "trolled" the BP forum are the same people who SUPPORT THIS SITE. My post was meant to express that the mods on this forum have gone to an extreme. There is a difference between following TOS, and using your mod status to delete a whole forum. Yes, we can all go somewhere else and post. I already have. What do you think will happen if breeders and others who don't like being censored to the extreme pull advertising?
BTW, I don't have a college education, but I did pass the MENSA test...so, do I still get to talk?
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1.1 Ball Python 0.0.1 corn snake 1.0 Bearded Dragon
0.0.2 fish 1.2 cats 3.1 kids 1.0 husband and now...
0.0.1 Pink Zebra Beauty Tarantula