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I played hooky from work today to try and get somepics of my cham. when i was watching here briefly this morning,i noticed thatshe had one of her eyes looking as if it was going to pop out, it' s hard to explain but it looked like it was double in size, it was runnbing it on the vine. then after a few seconds it returned to normal, was she "strecthing". i'll try to get someepics up today,

This is normal. Chams often clean their eyes by rolling the orbit around under the lid and pushing it in and out. They have no 3rd eyelid that protects and clears the surface like other herps, they can't lick them with their tongue like geckos.

LOL I know how you feel! The first time I saw that I was really worried about it and I never saw anything in the books I had about it. I finally got that book by Wolfgang Schmidt (Yemen Chameleon) that says something about it in veileds so I relaxed a bit. Like Carlton said, it is normal.
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Tyler Stewart
Las Vegas NV

yeah i wish i coulda got a pic of it, ,LOL, Thanks

it won't be the last time she does it! it'll be hard to catch tho' as there is no warning. I had heard of it on this forum before getting Luna but it still weird to see in action! They suck it in and pop it out! LOL!

btw, I think it's funny that you played hookey just to take pics! We so love our chams, don't we

lele & Luna
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0.1 veiled - Luna
0.2 green anoles Jaida & no name
0.1 brown anole - Jamaica
0.2 house geckos - Gaia & no name

i've heard good things about that book...what do you think of it?

lele

>>LOL I know how you feel! The first time I saw that I was really worried about it and I never saw anything in the books I had about it. I finally got that book by Wolfgang Schmidt (Yemen Chameleon) that says something about it in veileds so I relaxed a bit. Like Carlton said, it is normal.
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>>Tyler Stewart
>>Las Vegas NV
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0.1 veiled - Luna
0.2 green anoles Jaida & no name
0.1 brown anole - Jamaica
0.2 house geckos - Gaia & no name

It's a pretty good book.... If I remember right it was pretty expensive... I think it was like 15-20 bucks. The guy is German I think so all the temperatures and measurements are metric (Millimeters, etc). It makes it a little bit of a pain to understand. The book has good pictures though and a few pictures of a female laying eggs in a clear container, so you can see her from hehind while they're being laid. Pretty interesting. The information in it is similar to other books. There's an interesting section tht shows pictures of veileds in all their color pattern and explains what they mean. I'm not sure it's completely accurate, but it's interesting. They also make at least 1 smart a$$ "American" remark.... I think there was 2. The one I remember says something like the chameleons of many American chameleon breeders are produced "like supermarket goods" and not done with care and attention to the animals. All in all it's a good book to check out. Oh yeah the binding and pages in mine are falling out.
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Tyler Stewart
Las Vegas NV

hmmm...it's up to $27 or $28 now and from what you say I may not bother. I guess b/c it is specific to veileds I thought it might have lots of different info. I have 4 or 5 cham books and one on veiled and jackson's I find Linda Davison's to be the best of my little library, thanks for the candid reply!

Anyway, this forum provides a library that could never fit between two covers!

one thought...does Germany breed them any better than us??

lele

>>It's a pretty good book.... If I remember right it was pretty expensive... I think it was like 15-20 bucks. The guy is German I think so all the temperatures and measurements are metric (Millimeters, etc). It makes it a little bit of a pain to understand. The book has good pictures though and a few pictures of a female laying eggs in a clear container, so you can see her from hehind while they're being laid. Pretty interesting. The information in it is similar to other books. There's an interesting section tht shows pictures of veileds in all their color pattern and explains what they mean. I'm not sure it's completely accurate, but it's interesting. They also make at least 1 smart a$$ "American" remark.... I think there was 2. The one I remember says something like the chameleons of many American chameleon breeders are produced "like supermarket goods" and not done with care and attention to the animals. All in all it's a good book to check out. Oh yeah the binding and pages in mine are falling out.
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>>Tyler Stewart
>>Las Vegas NV
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0.1 veiled - Luna
0.2 green anoles Jaida & no name
0.1 brown anole - Jamaica
0.2 house geckos - Gaia & no name

Yeah it might be up in that price range... I don't remember what I paid, I just remember I passed on it a few times and finally just bought it since it kept teasing me. Yeah I know what you mean about the Germans.... Why would they be any better at breeding than us? I'd like to hear them tell us what we're doing wrong.
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Tyler Stewart
Las Vegas NV

yeah, it seems like a strange remark. frankly I would not have thought about the Germans as big in herp breeding. I have no idea why I think that LOL! They may be way up there in the trade.

I know what you mean about the book teasing! Now that I have a veiled it is calling out even more. Tprobelm is that no store has it in stock so I can't "browse" it before I buy :/

>>Yeah it might be up in that price range... I don't remember what I paid, I just remember I passed on it a few times and finally just bought it since it kept teasing me. Yeah I know what you mean about the Germans.... Why would they be any better at breeding than us? I'd like to hear them tell us what we're doing wrong.
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>>Tyler Stewart
>>Las Vegas NV
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0.1 veiled - Luna
0.2 green anoles Jaida & Jetta
0.1 brown anole - Jamaica
0.2 house geckos - Gaia & Tia

Its strange... I wonder what is special at that side of the planet, but there seem to be a lot of excellent breeding result in europe. Not only have i heard that they are lots of positive result breeding parsonii's and other rarer chameleons there, but other rarer herps as well. many Euromastyxx, as well as many rare and endangered horned lizards (phrynosoma genus) species seems to be bred consistently and succesfully. Just ask horned lizards breeders here...they definately know of the successfull germans.
To Germany...Anyone? ^_^

That's interesting. I wonder if it is in part due to the wild caught not having to travel the distance (well, depending on where they are from originally). Just a thought :/

>>Its strange... I wonder what is special at that side of the planet, but there seem to be a lot of excellent breeding result in europe. Not only have i heard that they are lots of positive result breeding parsonii's and other rarer chameleons there, but other rarer herps as well. many Euromastyxx, as well as many rare and endangered horned lizards (phrynosoma genus) species seems to be bred consistently and succesfully. Just ask horned lizards breeders here...they definately know of the successfull germans.
>>To Germany...Anyone? ^_^
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0.1 veiled - Luna
0.2 green anoles Jaida & Jetta
0.1 brown anole - Jamaica
0.2 house geckos - Gaia & Tia

Keeping reptiles really originated in Europe (specifically Germany). The entire terrarium basis came from early German keepers and breeders. Their dedication as a whole is IMO greater than the majority in the US. To start with, the population of chameleon keepers in Germany is very small compared to ours here in the US and those few who work with them in Germany are generally far more dedicated and serious than your average chameleon keeper here in the US. As a result, the serious don't have to worry about loosing as many good potential breeder animals to those who aren't capable and in the US, that is a major issue. A much higher percentage of their keepers are active breeders and work with rarer species unlike many in the US who simply have pets of species that really should not be pets at all or at the very least until successful breeding programs are setup. The latter statement is a major issue that I personally have with the US chameleon hobby. Just my 2 cents.
Chris
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Chris Anderson
parsonii_hoehnelii@hotmail.com
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makes sense! This country is too damn big, for one thing and we do live in a very disposable society which unfortuantely, for many, relates to their animals as well. I understand your last comment, too. Even tho' I don't know much about other species I think MANY herp owners have them b/c it is cool and then folks like Carlton and others have to rescue these poor things. I'll stop there as I could really ramble about this issue. There is a part of me that has a twinge of guilt in keeping an caged animal.

lele and her herps ;/
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0.1 veiled - Luna
0.2 green anoles Jaida & Jetta
0.1 brown anole - Jamaica
0.2 house geckos - Gaia & Tia