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Strange...but (gulp) true.

Markus Jayne Nov 20, 2003 06:21 PM

Recently I have come across several posts describing situations where people have housed 2 males together only to discover that they were breeding. Therefore the presumption was that one was actually a female.

Well this story may put all presumptions to rest and open ones mind to all possibilities in this wonderful hobby we enjoy so much.

This year I purchased a beautiful Mojave from Dan and Colette Sutherland. He was big and healthy and primed to be a dependable breeder this coming season. My breeding season had begun in the early part of October and one by one all my males started to eventually breed. I have several first time breeding males this year and as always the ones that are less important are always the ones to breed first. And the ones you hope to discover, with a tail lock to rival all tail locks, are off in some corner daydreaming about who knows what. This was the case with my Mojave. Now bear in mind that this is not a reflection of the quality of the snake and I am certainly not taking a jab at Dan and Colette. The snake is amazing and these things happen and you have to be patient!

It's now mid November and as I don't feel that breeding this early is of any crucial importance, I do believe that it's nice to get males going and comfortable prior to the crunch months of January and February.

I recently read that some breeders combat males to give them that competitive edge so I thought I would do the same. I placed one of my less important males, (a dinking around project male I call White Belly) in with my Mojave, just before going to work for the day. I figure I had nothing to loose...right?

So days end arrives and as is customary, the first place I go when I get home from work is my snake room. Well bowl me over with a feather...hold the phone...what do I discover??? Your looking at it! Yes siree...Bob is your uncle! My two males are...dare I say it...BREEDING! OK so now I start to laugh thinking that I must have a female Mojave...but wait...I probed him as a male...just this morning!!!

So I decide that this just can't be happening and maybe they are just hugging(not that there is anything wrong with that).

NOT!!!! My white belly male was definitely the giver and he himself was now probing my Mojave.

So there you have it. Definite proof that males will breed other males. I did eventually coax them into separating and I gotta tell you, the look of longing on my Mojaves face was priceless.

From now on, no more Barbara Streisand movies and he is definitely not going to watch Queer Eye for the Straight Guy with us again! Although I have admitt he keeps his container neater than any of my other males.

All joking aside, this is just another one of those 'Ah Ha's" that keep your mind open and make you realize that you never, ever stop learning and witnessing new things.

Hope you enjoyed my little story and I'll keep you posted as to how he comes around.

Yours truly,

MJ

PS, If anyone one has any good snake girlie magazines they could spare, please send them to me as quickly as possible!
Markus Jayne Ball Pythons
Markus Jayne Ball Pythons

Replies (23)

khalliaar Nov 20, 2003 06:32 PM

Wouldn't that have upset your mojave, or angered it?
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Exotics by Nature Nov 20, 2003 06:50 PM

That Mojave is FINE!! Man you better get that guy breeding... to FEMALES!

I want!


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Sean Bradley
Owner : EbN
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Markus Jayne Nov 21, 2003 05:22 PM

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gmherps Nov 20, 2003 07:16 PM

Greg
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Markus Jayne Nov 21, 2003 05:25 PM

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designersnakes Nov 20, 2003 08:08 PM

Mark, I think you should go ahead and sell me that male Mojave for real cheap as he will probably never breed for you. I promise not to put him with a Spider male.
Jack

Markus Jayne Nov 21, 2003 05:28 PM

I'll even through in a nice pair of cufflinks.

How are things going Jack?

MJ

bloodycats Nov 20, 2003 08:29 PM

and needs a more agressive mate. If you put him in with a girl who wants to "wear the pants in the family," maybe you'll have better luck.

Or possibly he just didn't know what to do and was getting a training session from his white bellied friend! Sometimes you just can't describe something right and you have to teach by example.

Whatever he was thinking, good luck with that guy. Mojave's ROCK! Good luck!

Janie
HungryMedusa's homepage

Markus Jayne Nov 21, 2003 05:30 PM

a very aggresive female right now. She's not wearing pants but she is wearing some nice thong undies, if that helps.

Welcome to the forum Janie!

MJ

brandonsander Nov 20, 2003 08:31 PM

Strangely this is not a rare occurance in the animal world. Many species of mammals have been observed displaying homosexual coupling, but unlike humans, where homosexuality means just that, these animals are willing to mate with their female counterparts when the situation presents itself. Dolphins and dogs have been known to do this, of all the animals studied only the males have shown this tendency (I'm not sure how the females of any species other than homo sapien would engage in this act, but, hey I've been surprised before). To those of you out there who experience this the best advice I can give is to keep the males separate. They are most likely just trying to get off.

Most of my "knowledge" lies in mammals but I love herps and have been actively reading every morsel of information I can find for the past few years. As well as keeping a varied collection of amphibians and boids. Care of the two (mammals and herps) may vary greatly, but it has been my experience that both mammals and herps display many of the same "base behaviors", across the board it appears most animals will not attack unless threatened or extremely hungry. The basic needs for both groups of animals are the same food, safety, and reproduction. In my eyes it seems that many of the behaviors would also be caused by similar situations.
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In the right hands patience, curiousity and willingness to learn can work miracles. In the wrong hands they are mankind's curse and nature's greatest fear.

binky Nov 20, 2003 08:36 PM

hmm.....

idealreptiles Nov 21, 2003 03:31 AM

Stop right there buddy. I live in CA, am straight, and love it down here. The weather is nice and sexy, the girls are very hot, (or did I get that backwards?) and you don't see guys walking down the street often holding hands and smaking eachothers sweaty butts (except for organized sports which unfortuanately occurs everywhere, and fellows by the name Binky....?).
Oh yea........................................ BALL PYTHONS ROCK!
Evan
P.S. Iknow you were just joking.

pcole Nov 20, 2003 09:03 PM

Thank you folks....I'll be here all week. Don't forget to tip your waitress!!!!

Pete

ArdentSnakeFan Nov 20, 2003 11:05 PM

np

muggle Nov 21, 2003 09:10 AM

~applause~

idealreptiles Nov 21, 2003 03:14 AM

I had a male ball python doing the same thing one day and it was quite confusing at first as I tried to figure out exactly what was going on, who was who, and WHY! I guess when you have them in lockdown for so long, they start to get a little horny in the wrong direction, but I think the jail comment is little backwards.
Your white belly is very confused, and now so is your mohave!.
Sorry to hear your mohave was raped by a normal (untill you prove him otherwise, he is just a proven____)
You haven't seen him trying to breed any rats lately right?
LOL
Those are some nice looking snakes.
Good luck this season!
Evan

Markus Jayne Nov 21, 2003 05:55 PM

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exoticballpython Nov 21, 2003 10:04 AM

Mark, Uhmmmmm I am not sure what to say... Thats just not right and we have to get your Mojave on the right track.. Not that he is on the wrong track is some peoples eyes though its just not my preferance. Anyways here is what I am suggesting: I have some girls here that are real easy for a good looking ( and your Mojave is very good looking!) Wait a second that doesnt make me uhm sound weird now does it ?( cause I find your male snake that is locked up with another male attractive ) Na I think I am just being homophobic.. ANYWAYS what I had started to say is I have some real EASY girls here that will take your Mojave around the cage and show him a good time!! Once he had been with one of these girls he will never want to look back at this unfortunate incident ( I will tell him that I will talk you in to deleting all the pictures of him with another another male ) and he will then show your girls the new tricks he has learned!!

Take care

Bryan

RPlank Nov 21, 2003 10:27 AM

>>ANYWAYS what I had started to say is I have some real EASY girls here that will take your Mojave around the cage and show him a good time!!......>>
>>Take care
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>>Bryan

I think if Markus' Mojave is in the market for a one week stand, everyone should have a shot. I'll put up a couple of my girls on the same street corner! My females are EASIER than yours! LOL!

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Randy
www.ball-pythons.net

Markus Jayne Nov 21, 2003 05:57 PM

can you give me a month or 8 to think about it?

exoticballpython Nov 22, 2003 04:01 AM

Mark, Sure take your time, I still want one of his sons when he has them though.

Bryan

jyohe Nov 21, 2003 04:22 PM

I never had male balls breed.......they do put a whoopin' on each other....but never try to breed......and I have some 5 pound males that will breed anything (but males)...

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the one male did breed a male burmese once at a friend's home ,,before I got him.........he was 4 foot and burm was 6

........maybe you have a female mojave?.........

.........wait awhile ..........let him get over his shock.......and try him again on a bigger proven female and see what happens..........

good luck.........JY

hissherspyth Nov 21, 2003 09:57 PM

But I never expected this... Good luck with that Mojave he's amazing.

Michael

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