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After looking through all the photos of the Sandfire translucents, I'm thinking that this guy has very similar characteristics. I've emailed with Paul and he does not think it is the same thing as the translucents. For one, this boy has gold irises, not black.
His belly was "see through" to that dark blue color (similar to color showing here) a few days ago, but now is sort of blotchy blue. I do believe he is getting close to a shed and will see if the belly goes back to completely see through blue post-shed.
He popped out of the last clutch of Chai x Carmelita, and there are 3 others that look sort of "thin skinned" as well, but very white and pale.
Just thought I'd share and see if anyone has any ideas or input!

Dana

pretty strange!
Dana

n/p
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Here is the belly in that blotchy state I was talking about. It is still actually more "see through" than it looks, but just a few days ago it was not blotchy at all--it was entirely blue.
I dont know why, I'm guessing it might have to do with a shed coming on, but who knows. I posted another photo of the belly in the KS gallery. I'll try to get one post shed.
Under the basking lamp, he turns sort of pink (flesh) and that dark blue--like you can see right through him. I cant seem to get that on photo though.
You can see the yellow eyes here.
I'll keep trying all week!
Dana

It looks like what ever the genetic defect is that causes that, would be the same. It looks like yours may not be to the same extreme as the Translucent though. Like some Piebald snakes have more blotches than others???

Keep us updated on that one.

Later.
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Now you have to decide if you will breed 2 clutchmates together to confirm this.
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The spots do look to be very similar to our translucent and there are definately different degrees of translucence in all three of our bloodlines.I have noticed on our animals the white goes missing on the belly first,then the face and finally the back and top of the head. Not meaning they change, but between individual animals. I would not rule out the possibility just because it does not have black eyes. The black eye trait seems to be independant and just happend to surface at the same time. The main reason I didnt think it is the same is because Dana said the amount of white seemd to change. I have not noticed any such change in my animals even through shed.

It makes me wonder how many strange traits have yet to surface? That's part of the magical wonder with breeding these guys.

Later.
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Hi Paul!
Well, I will definitely try to do some more documentation of the little boy.
I was wondering, Paul, if you use any sort of special lighting or supplementation for these dragons due to their unusual skin.

Thanks for everyone's input and I'll keep you posted.

Dana

Nothing special, I house and care for them the same as all my other dragons.

more comfortable that this is a random trait and not related to inbreeding as I know how you feel and watch that so closely, thank you for sharing the picture and story with us. It certainly has set my mind at ease!

Please keep us updated on his progress. This baby was from a clutch by parents that have produced before right?
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Yes, definitely no inbreeding or line breeding on this batch. The mom is a sandfire outcross german x orange from west coast and texas lines from the mid 90s that we bred in 2000, the dad is a redflame x from more recent east coast lines.

I'm also trying to dig up a photo of one that hatched last year from a yellow x normal breeding that had a similar look--that one didnt make it unfortunately.

Dana

Because this new trait is so different and unusual we have taken great care in planning our breeding strategy and getting this trait into unrelated animals. As I said in the picture gallery, we have been working on these for 2 years now and still have not bred trans to trans. It is possible that the things we are seeing now may only be the first step to something completely different.

Wow thats strange how it just pops up with breedings that it is not expected in. Your the second breeder I heard of that hatched these out by accident here in the US. I hope your second one makes it. The other breeder who hatched one out lost theirs soon after. I'm not sure if theirs had the normal eyes like yours either. Maybe you can cross it with stronger genetics and make them a little more hardier. Go figure Sandfire imported thier line, and we have them popping up here in unexpected breedings. You could cross yours to one of theirs and have unrelated translucent breedings. Good Luck
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We now have 3 seperate bloodlines for the translucents,the same year we purchased the one I hatched my own..The hypo line. That same year I know of 3 other breeders who also hatched translucets, one each. Unfortunately for them they did not make to adulthood. This leads me to believe this trait is much more widespread.

Why have you not bred trans X trans yet then? If you hatched your own line and also purchased, and imported seperate trans blood. I wonder how they would turn out with a trans x trans breeding. The one you imported, was it's eyes fully black as well, or was that the line you started here. I know the black eyes have been worked on for a while now. Are they not of age yet to breed trans x trans?
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The reason we have not yet bred translucent to transulcent is because my bloodline originally started with only one female, so it has taken me 2 years to get that trait into multiple bloodlines to produce hets. The animals we purchased were actually a group (the whole clutch), not just one. Out of that group only 2 animals displayed the gene. Unfortunately those 2 animals did not make it to adulthood. The remaining animals were split into 2 groups. One group bred to the Sandfire line, and the other to our hypo/pastel line. The resulting hets were then bred and the offspring are the animals that we have been selling. This season I will cross translucents from both the Sanfire & Pastel lines into my own bloodlines. Currently I own the only 2 adult translucents, both being female. The black eyes were in both of the imported translucents but not in the imported hets. So far the majority of translucents hatched do have the black eyes or dark eyes to some degree. Some have only sections of the iris being black.

The other breeder I know of had two hatch like this last year, one of each sex, the female did not survive, the male did so far as I know. Does it seem that there are more than the normal amount of them that are not surviving?
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True, that's the main reason we have spent 2 years producing hets, to get that trait into healthy animals.