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Another try at comparing Elaphe bimaculata and E. dione...(pics)

Terry Cox Jun 01, 2003 09:04 AM

It's hard in the subdued lighting that I use to get good pics, but I'm mostly just interested in showing some identifying characteristics of these two species.

This photo shows head shape from above of bimaculata, and size of spots for comparison. Also it shows how different color can look at times. There's a lot of variety in color just in each species and location

The next bimac pic shows another angle of head shape, eye size, and some pattern variation with size of spots/bars...

Next is a South Korean dione baby showing some head characters and color/pattern. Some of these characteristics will change with age, and of course 'dione' are one of the most variable of all ratsnake species...

The last pic is of the same dione baby showing color/pattern and general shape...

Hope this helps with i.d. The post is dealing with general characteristics, but there's so many more possible variations with locality snakes. If I had more photos available, I could take a look at bimaculata vs. Chinese dione, and also rufodorsata. Maybe more in the future.

Hope it's not too boring, LOL. TC.

Replies (6)

terryp Jun 01, 2003 12:15 PM

to post pics and show those diffeences that are discussed on the forum. My bimacs look more like my S. Korean diones than my C. China diones. The bimacs are a China locale, but look more like the S. Korean locale dione. The bimac's China habitat and environment must be closer to the dione's S. Korea habitat and environment. I sometimes have to take a second look at my bimacs or S. Korean diones to make sure when I pull one out or go to feed one. The behavior of both the bimac and diones is very similar too.

Terry Cox Jun 01, 2003 06:35 PM

...north, bt. 34 and 42*N.lat. mostly, whereas, the bimaculata are mostly bt. 30 and 32*N. The habitat type might be similar, but the seasonal changes are going to have some differences.

I'm glad you liked the post. If there's at least one person who benefits from something, then it's not wasted (smile).

I was thinking about doing some more along these lines, but I don't think hardly anyone is looking at them, so maybe the energy will be better spent somewhere else. Maybe I'll put some more pics up on my site. E-mail me if you want to check it out.

TC

Ophidiophile Jun 01, 2003 10:35 PM

>>I was thinking about doing some more along these lines, but I don't think hardly anyone is looking at them, so maybe the energy will be better spent somewhere else.

Nah, spend some more energy right here!

MissHisssss Jun 02, 2003 12:36 AM

Thanks Terry for the photo's. Was just afraid to say much more after being such a pest with all my questions. Was hoping to see some of the rufodorsata and the striped bimaculata but that was before I took the snake I had back to the feedstore. I don't have a lot of money so would rather invest in a snake that is more well known, and has a better survival rate than the rufodorsata. Thanks again for all your help.

MissHisssss

Terry Cox Jun 02, 2003 04:48 AM

I was a little bummed last night about something that happened with someone I work with. Usually I'm pretty even keeled. This is my last week of school and I have grades to do, so it'll be busy, but I'll try to stick with the bimac/dione/rufo series.

These species are not widely kept, so there won't be much feedback on any posts on them, I guess. I try to make my posts educational so keepers will see that these are great snakes to keep as pets, but they're still considered kind of exotic, I'm afraid.

More later....TC.

Smell Jun 02, 2003 02:45 PM

Hi Terry, I really enjoy the topic on the dione and bimaculata.
I will try to post some picture's of my animals, I believe they are dione's (I have counted the teeth ghe.. ghe..).
Thanx again mate !!!!!.

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