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I'm so busy throughout the week, and I feed every 6 days. And because I'm so anal about how I do everything with my burm, I give her atleast 36hours before handling after feeding.

I hate feeding time because it gives me less time to play with her. Less time to take her out and let her go exploring in my room. I guess its just a price you pay. I know I don't need to be so crazy about handling after eating, but for me, better safe than sorry.

I had a friend who had their snake regurg, and I don't even want to take the chance.

Richard

I went to get a small rat today, my burm was more interested in my tongs I guess. Giving absolutely no mind to the rat. The rat started getting fiesty.

I had to kill it . I did the rolling the pen on the back of the neck thing, very sad to do and watch happen.

She ate with no problems. No wrapping though, weird also. I guess she just knew it didn't need it. She just grabbed on with her mouth and started swallowing. interesting.

But no more fiesty rats for me, and I sure as hell do not want to kill anymore, I'm having the shop kill them for me. Horrible thing to do.

Richard

I know EXACTLY what you feel. I fed my Ball Python a live mouse one time and the mouse chomped down on my BP and took a second or two to let go. I had to immediatly remove the mouse and dispatch it. I really hate to do that, and it was my first and only time. Now I just stick with F/T for him.

Jut put the rat in a small jar. Scuba divers who have almost died from CO2 have reported its not painful.

Scuba divers who have almost died typically have that brush with death on account of nitrogen narcosis - which has nothing to do with CO2. It's most common that the O2/N2 mixture is off, leading to a high level of N2 in the bloodstream. This actually puts the diver in an elated, sort of 'high', state - never mind not being painful.

Suffocating the rat in a jar is forcing a slow painful death on it. Try a CO2 gas chamber - it kills in just a few seconds - painlessly.

>>Jut put the rat in a small jar. Scuba divers who have almost died from CO2 have reported its not painful.
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It is not nitrogen narcosis. Even at normal (atmospheric) pressure, people have reported the same results with no excess
nitrogen being present.

From http://www.osha-slc.gov/dts/hib/hib_data/hib19960605.html

The Cincinnati, Ohio Area Office recently brought to our attention the case of a delivery driver who succumbed to carbon dioxide asphyxiation while dispensing CO(2) from his tractor-trailer. The driver, working for a restaurant supply company, pulled his trailer to the back of a restaurant at 1:30 a.m. to make deliveries of carbon dioxide and other supplies. This was a routine delivery for this driver as he made regular deliveries to this restaurant every five days at this time of night. The driver checked in with restaurant management and then proceeded to make his CO(2) delivery. This involved taking the hose from the truck and connecting it to the restaurant's bulk CO(2) system through a fill station located on the wall, below ground level, just outside the door to the basement.

After one-half hour, restaurant employees started to look for the driver and found him unconscious and lying face up at the bottom of the stairwell; they immediately called 911. The paramedical team had to use SCBAs to remove the victim from the stairwell. The paramedics were unable to revive him and he was declared dead at the local hospital.

The fill station was located in the below-ground stairwell, with a partial covering over the top of the doorway. The stairway and basement doorway were completely below grade.

The accident apparently resulted from a CO(2) leak caused by an incomplete seal of the delivery mechanism where the hose from the truck's bulk system fastened to the fill connection (a fixed brass fitting) at the outside wall of the restaurant. This condition was exacerbated by the fact that the below grade location allowed the CO(2) to accumulate without dissipation.

Carbon dioxide is a colorless, odorless gas and should be treated as a material with poor warning properties. It is denser than air and high concentrations can persist in open pits and other areas below grade. The current OSHA standard is 5000 ppm as an 8-hour time-weighted average (TWA) concentration.

Gaseous carbon dioxide is an asphyxiant. Concentrations of 10% (100,000 ppm) or more can produce unconsciousness or death. Lower concentrations may cause headache, sweating, rapid breathing, increased heartbeat, shortness of breath, dizziness, mental depression, visual disturbances or shaking. The seriousness of the latter symptoms is dependent on the concentration of carbon dioxide and the length of time the individual is exposed. The response to carbon dioxide inhalation varies greatly even in healthy normal individuals.

My note: I think it is safe to assume the driver was not
running around in great pain; else he would have fled.

A jar? LOL. Thats more torturous than drowning it

You should do a little research; lots of info and a few case
accounts on the web. Nothing is perfect and totally constant when dealing with life; I might get a headache from CO2, you might not. What's important is that CO2 poisoning, while not pleasant, is not terribly painful and often results in the
animal passing out before too long.

Im in no way talking about the same thing that you are. My previous post was a response to someone saying that putting a rat/mouse in a small jar to suffocate it to death isnt painful. Of course, they exhale CO2 in small amounts when breathing. But this in no way equates to building a "gas chamber" in which you have a hose or something pump CO2 into the container of the rodent to dispatch it. Killing a rodent by pumping CO2 into the container IS definitley the most humane way to dispatch it as it will pass out after a few seconds. THIS is what you were referring to. But this is totally different than putting something in a jar to slowly suffocate and die without introducing CO2.