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Genetics Question

cmscorns Nov 26, 2003 07:45 AM

I was wondering if anyone could recommend either a site or book that deals with the genetics of corns in some detail. I teach school and am using corns as a part of my genetics unit and have some questions as to the specifics of how the color and pattern genes work in corn snakes. What genes are dominant, does codominance occur and when?

I have the following pairs to breed as a part of the project:

Normals(het for Lav, and snow)
Normals(het for Lav, amel motley)
Caramel(het for butter and amber)
Hypomelanistic
Amelanistic (het for butter and motley)

The snakes are all 2003's so I have lots of time to research. I plan to breed each of the pairs when they are ready, each snake comes from different clutches so inbreeding is not an issue. My students are having a great time, everyone of them is part of a group that cares for one of the snakes.

If anyone else is using corns as a part of their classroom let me know I am looking for someone to bounce ideas off of and share info with.
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Replies (6)

artfan1 Nov 26, 2003 09:01 AM

Well, if you haven't already done so, download Mick's program called "Mick's Cornsnake Progency Predictor".

This program is so much fun. It will teach you in a couple of hours, all the basics in corn genetics. I said "basics" because there is so much variation.

When I am looking for snakes online, I always have this program open. But I find I use it less and less as time goes by becaues the program has helped my brain to "click" on many of the hets.

In addition to that, get Kathy Loves book. It's great.

Good Luck
Troy

Here is the link...
Mick's Cornsnake Progency Predictor

aplaxco Nov 26, 2003 10:18 AM

Also there is a website out there for SerpWidgets or something like that. You can search for it. His site explains corn genetics in depth using graphs and tables. It was what finally cleared some things up for me. It hasn't been updated in a while but what's there is good, and understandable information.
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0.1 Hypo - Nikko
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0.1 Hypo Motley - Cordelia aka Cordy
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1.0 Thourghbred (Hunter/Jumper) - Morgan's Majesty aka Cody

Paul Hollander Nov 26, 2003 11:09 AM

>I was wondering if anyone could recommend either a site or book that deals with the genetics of corns in some detail. I teach school and am using corns as a part of my genetics unit and have some questions as to the specifics of how the color and pattern genes work in corn snakes. What genes are dominant, does codominance occur and when?

AFAIK, all corn snake mutant genes analysed so far have turned out to be recessive to the normal allele. And all the mutants except striped and motley are independant. I've been shown corn snakes from a striped x motley cross, and all of the babies had patterns roughly intermediate between the parental patterns. This indicated to me that the two mutants were alleles and codominant to each other as well as being recessive to the normal allele.

The single most useful book on corn genetics is Michael McEachern's Color Guide to Corn Snakes. Used copies cost around $6 through Amazon. It's a bit dated now, but not too badly. Main thing I have against it is the symbols in the genetics chapter -- b for amelanistic and r for anerythristic. Bern Bechtel used a for amelanistic and ax for anerythristic in a 1989 paper in the Journal of Heredity, which gives his symbols priority by date. Bechtel also followed generally accepted symbol guidelines better than McEachern.

Bill and Kathy Love's The Corn Snake Manual has some genetics material.

H. Bernard Bechtel's Reptile and Amphibian Variants: Colors, Patterns, and Scales is the best overview for all reptiles and amphibians. BTW, Bechtel produced the first captive bred amelanistic and motley corns.

And as another suggested, Mick Spencer's corn snake progeny predictor.

Schaum's Introduction to Genetics is a good, inexpensive introduction to the subject of genetics. IMHO, the chapters trying to teach genetics in McEachern and Bechtel's books are the poorest in each book. (This opinion is based on having taken a general genetics course in college and working for 5 years in a college genetics laboratory.)

>I have the following pairs to breed as a part of the project:
>
>Normals(het for Lav, and snow)

Main thing I have against Mick's progeny predictor is that it uses terms like "het for snow". This gives a student the impression that snow is a single mutant. "Heterozygous for lavender, amelanistic, and anerythristic" would be better for the student.

IMHO, anybody who routinely uses the Punnett Square for two or more loci is a masochist. The branching system (AKA forkline, arithmetic method, etc.) is much superior.

Paul Hollander

artfan1 Nov 26, 2003 03:44 PM

Maybe I have a different version of the Mick's program but it doesn't have "het for snow" as an option. It has Snow, of course as and "expressed trait" but not for het.
It does have Amel, Hypo, Anery, Charcoal, Carmel, Striped, Motley, Zig Zag & Lavender.

I know a lot of people use the term "het for opal" which really confused me. For example;
Amel het for Opal (or)
Lavender het for Opal

Which should be;
Amel het for Lavender (and)
Lavender het for Amel

It took me a while to figure that one out.
Or "Het for Butter" which should read "Het for Carmel & Amel".

I guess thats why these snakes are so much fun.

Troy

teachbio Nov 26, 2003 09:57 PM

What classes do you teach? I teach Biology 1 and Anatomy/Physiology currently. Last year I taught a genetics course. Due to lack of staff ($$$), I lost my genetics course and had to pick up freshman Bio. I'm hoping to someday get my genetics course back and do some breeding with corns as well. Sooner or later they'll have to hire another Biology teacher. Our classes are huge. I'd be interested in discussing this further, since I'm hoping to get a program up and running as well. Genetics is truly my passion. We only have one corn snake currently, but I plan on expanding!! The kids are fascinated. The fear of the dreaded snake diminishes quickly

Take care,
Julie

DemonFrog Nov 27, 2003 10:37 AM

I find a good book to learn the basics of genetics is the cartoon guide to genetics i am 16 and it helped me to understand the genetics part of my grade 11 Uprep bio, also great for you, i wish my teachers had corn snakes to breed to show genetics. are you going to sell some of the babies to the students?

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