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What makes Freedom Breeders cost so much?

rudedogsurfrat Nov 26, 2003 03:39 PM

Why are they so much better than the rest?
I'd like to hear first hand experiences.

Rudy
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0.1 Rubber Boa
1.0 Eastern Hognose 2003 super red
0.2 Eastern Hognose Snakes
3.3 Western Hognose Snakes
1.0 Durango Mountain Kingsnake
1.1 Woma's (new!)
Spadefoot
Black Knobbed Sawback
Northern Diamondback
Florida Redbellied Slider
Western Painted
Southern Painted
1.0 African Hedgehog
1.0 Sulcata
1.1
1 Pleco
2 Silver Dollars
3 Bosemian Rainbows
1 Cory Cat
1 Upside Down Catfish
2.0 Fire Guramis

uhh... I think that is it.

Replies (11)

Jamison Nov 26, 2003 04:32 PM

quality.

markg Nov 26, 2003 04:41 PM

Anything made well costs money. The manufacturer has to pay the bills for the tooling and leased factory space. The boxes are not from Walmart, and the racks are not made from inexpensive melamine. We are talking powder-coated metal square tubing and metal box rails and custom-made boxes..

Here are some reasons why they are good:

1. They are light in weight yet very strong.
2. They can get wet without compromising strength (unlike melamine), and they have a tough industrial coating.
3. They can be disassembled for transport and reassembled easily.
4. Interchangeable parts, including heat panels.
5. The heat panels use common Flexwatt, and the Flexwatt can be replaced easily if necessary.
6. Extremely space-efficient design allows for many cages.
7. The box sizes truly accomodate various animals. For example, the ball python tubs are roomy enough for larger ball pythons and aren't 28qt Rubbermaids.
8. They are on wheels.
9. The outlet strips for the heaters mount right on the rack.
10. A melamine rack that could hold adult boas would weigh a ton.
11. Lidless design makes cleaning easy.
12. Expandable - you can buy one level or 10.

This isn't to say there aren't other good racks out there, but for boas and pythons you don't have much choice if you want to rack them. Well, Roylance Racks, but they use a similar design.

I use racks from www.herpcages.com, but not for anything larger than a Cal king. If I were racking womas (I notice you have them) then FB or Roylance all the way when the womas are adults. Otherwise, use cages. Lots of great cage choices out there. Plastic rules for most boa/pythons IMO except when there isn't a size you need, then wood is the best.

Lets see, two Boaphile 4x2 cages shipped is about $460. What can you get from FB for that much? Check it out and see.

bigdee Nov 26, 2003 05:08 PM

FB

markg Nov 26, 2003 05:55 PM

n/m

rudedogsurfrat Nov 26, 2003 06:59 PM

the top screen holes seem rather large
What is the smallest snakes that can be fit in there without escaping??
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0.1 Rubber Boa
1.0 Eastern Hognose 2003 super red
0.2 Eastern Hognose Snakes
3.3 Western Hognose Snakes
1.0 Durango Mountain Kingsnake
1.1 Woma's (new!)
Spadefoot
Black Knobbed Sawback
Northern Diamondback
Florida Redbellied Slider
Western Painted
Southern Painted
1.0 African Hedgehog
1.0 Sulcata
1.1
1 Pleco
2 Silver Dollars
3 Bosemian Rainbows
1 Cory Cat
1 Upside Down Catfish
2.0 Fire Guramis

uhh... I think that is it.

chrish Nov 26, 2003 09:22 PM

I have had Rubber Boas and Desert Sandboas (E. miliaris) have babies in them without escaping. However, I did have a few neonate Checkered Garters get through the grates when a female gave birth unexpectedly.
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Chris Harrison

...he was beginning to realize he was the creature of a god that appreciated the discomfort of his worshippers - W. Somerset Maugham

rudedogsurfrat Nov 27, 2003 12:38 AM

What worries me is the large amount of airflow from the exposed tubs and the open top.
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0.1 Rubber Boa
1.0 Eastern Hognose 2003 super red
0.2 Eastern Hognose Snakes
3.3 Western Hognose Snakes
1.0 Durango Mountain Kingsnake
1.1 Woma's (new!)
Spadefoot
Black Knobbed Sawback
Northern Diamondback
Florida Redbellied Slider
Western Painted
Southern Painted
1.0 African Hedgehog
1.0 Sulcata
1.1
1 Pleco
2 Silver Dollars
3 Bosemian Rainbows
1 Cory Cat
1 Upside Down Catfish
2.0 Fire Guramis

uhh... I think that is it.

chrish Nov 27, 2003 07:16 AM

You do have to make sure the snake has adequate access to clean water, but I don't have any problem with that.

I actually experimented with covering part of the top with a sheet of plexiglass to increase humidity once, but in general, my snakes do great in them without any covers.
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Chris Harrison

...he was beginning to realize he was the creature of a god that appreciated the discomfort of his worshippers - W. Somerset Maugham

rudedogsurfrat Nov 27, 2003 10:15 AM

That is just what I'll do. Maybe I'll throw a sheet over the whole thing.
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0.1 Rubber Boa
1.0 Eastern Hognose 2003 super red
0.2 Eastern Hognose Snakes
3.3 Western Hognose Snakes
1.0 Durango Mountain Kingsnake
1.1 Woma's (new!)
Spadefoot
Black Knobbed Sawback
Northern Diamondback
Florida Redbellied Slider
Western Painted
Southern Painted
1.0 African Hedgehog
1.0 Sulcata
1.1
1 Pleco
2 Silver Dollars
3 Bosemian Rainbows
1 Cory Cat
1 Upside Down Catfish
2.0 Fire Guramis

uhh... I think that is it.

chrish Nov 26, 2003 09:27 PM

Freedom Breeder cages are not any more expensive than Vision or Neodesha cages. When I was considering which type of cages to get, I compared the prices of the cages on a cost per unit area basis.

Freedom Breeder cages (I only looked at the large levels with the clear windows - one of the more expensive options) were generally cheaper per square inch than similarly sized Neodesha and Vision cages. The only cages that were appreciably cheaper were the really large Visions and Neodeshas (5-6 foot long cages). But since I didn't compare the 5-6 foot FB, I guess they might still have been cheaper.

Here is what my comparison data looked like -

Look at the cost per square inch comparisons.
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Chris Harrison

...he was beginning to realize he was the creature of a god that appreciated the discomfort of his worshippers - W. Somerset Maugham

jeeperscreepers Dec 02, 2003 12:35 PM

yep

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