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ive been offred this pair of neonates for a male kimberly rock monitor(which in its self is pretty rare) should i pull the trigger on this deal or is that a locality that isnt very diresable?!!?? not sure the monitor is worth all of $500 bucks so i could get the pair plus give him 200...like some suggestions from peeps w this locality or just some chondro fans thanks DIRT

I'm not up on monitors so I have no idea of the value of a Kimberly . I am a big fan of gtp's. Again I'm not up on all the locals but for the most part gtp's start at about $500. I've made deals were I know I lost a little just because I realy wanted the animals. So what I'm saying is it's realy up to you. Personaly I'd take the gtp's. but that's just me. Good luck on what ever you decide to do.

Do you know how old they are? I would not buy a sexed pair of chondros if they still hold their juvinile coloration.........unless they are at least a year old and 2' or longer. I didn't sex my hatchlings until they were 16 months old. I was very careful, had help, and still ended up with slight kinks in a couple of animals. The problem is, you don't see the kinks until the chondro gets bigger. It's a sad thing to see people sex hatchling chondros. Good luck.

Brandon Osborne

Neil Gubitz is the dealer from TAMPA BAY SNAKE PIT he said he candlelighted them last week...there are 20 inches long so i take it they are a month or 2 old. Does anybody have any kind of dealings w neil he seems to be a good guy very honest and willing to make a deal that benefits us both. Plus from wut ive been reading that this "locality" stays smaller w lots of blues and a workable disposition. The locality thing is a bit over used i know but they dont seem to have the bial characteristics...so a mainland animal is fine by me. Also ive heard that darker animals usually have a tendency to turn more blue and yellows sometimes are more prone to be yellow. ive dealt w dwarf monitor breeding for a few years and im very interested in GTP. had herps for more than 10 years so i know im ready just really want to make the right purchase w/o spending $2000 grand to get started.

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Neil Gubitz is the dealer from TAMPA BAY SNAKE PIT he said he candlelighted them last week...there are 20 inches long so i take it they are a month or 2 old. Does anybody have any kind of dealings w neil he seems to be a good guy very honest and willing to make a deal that benefits us both.

......I personally have not dealt with Neil, but from what I've heard, he does stand behind what he sells. I think I remember seeing the ad, but a 20" chondro should be eating larger meals than pinkies......if my memory serves me right. Also, a 2 month old chondro is about the size of a hatchling cornsnake.....a very thin pencil and about as long. A 20 incher would be around 8-12 months. I would not count on a candle sexed animal being right. The ONLY accurate method is probing. I've been burned by some of the largest breeders that only pop hatchlings.....females turn out being males.

Plus from wut ive been reading that this "locality" stays smaller w lots of blues and a workable disposition. The locality thing is a bit over used i know but they dont seem to have the bial characteristics...so a mainland animal is fine by me.

......Locality means crap, especially if you have no documentation. The only chondros you can really put a locality tag on are biaks and arus, and even then they could still be a mix locale. As far as size, I have a 6' biak female and a near 6' Jaya female........so the smaller size thing is bunk also. Without seeing the parents of the hatchlings, there is absolutely no way to tell how much, if any, blue they will have as adults.

Also ive heard that darker animals usually have a tendency to turn more blue and yellows sometimes are more prone to be yellow.

........Again, without any genetic background, there is no way to tell. I have had dark hatchlings that look as normal as any other chondro as adults. On the other hand, I have a couple that are high yellow, and one that is high blue, but these are from a very polymorphic bloodline that is known to produce such animals. Yes some red babies will be high yellow as adults. As with yellow babies, it can also go either way. You are correct about the REALLY nice blue animals though......most are red babies, but also average about $2-5K for hatchlings.

ive dealt w dwarf monitor breeding for a few years and im very interested in GTP. had herps for more than 10 years so i know im ready just really want to make the right purchase w/o spending $2000 grand to get started.

I would shop around a little longer and get something you are absolutely certain about. There are plenty of captive bred chondros available for a reasonable price. I would also be cautious of the term CAPTIVE BRED used by most of the dealers. Most of the time, these are only captive hatched imports. Remember to always buy CAPTIVE BRED when possible.

Good luck with the hunt and purchase.
Brandon Osborne

P.S. Here's a pic of a high yellow, that was an average looking RED baby and is now going on 3 years old.

Thanks Brandon, WOW quite the response more than ever wished....the problem is its a very fair deal and i have gave my word on the pair. He has given no reason to doubt what he is offering. The do have a very nice dorsal stripe and seem to be healthy. Neil also has described his husbandry to me(feedings/setup/heat etc.) So i dont think its his first rodeo. Any more advice is totally welcoome thanks a million. Jason

I dealt with neil only one time.He was advertising A sunburst irian jaya for 200.00 shipped.I bought it and received it on mon. it died on fri. I called neil and he told me to get A necropsie.if it was his fault hje would reimburse me .Idid not get the necropsie (afordability) so after about A week he sent me 100.00.Still I feel that he should have reimbursed me in full. thats my dealing with him

WOW....not cool, so he attempted to reimburse but u only got a bill for it. HMMMMMMMMM.... ive got a few more questions for him then. I still havent shipped my kimberly Thanks for the heads up... call me 435-313-9451