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Aloha,

Right now I have 2 green and black poison dart frogs, both caught from the wild. I had them for 6 months. I would like to put more wild green and black pdf in with them, what's the proceedure for doing this? Would you recommend doing this, why, why not?

Thanks.

you should quarrantine them for 2-3 months before puting them in with any other frogs. this insures that they do not have any disease to spread to your old frogs.

I don't wish to get philosophical, but you did ask for recommendations. I don't know about other folks, but I got into this to do my little part to help endangered species while working with animals that beautify my home and enrich my life. Because of that, my recommendation would be to stop supporting those poeple removing the few remaining wild frogs from their native homes and find a reputable dealer with strong, compatable bloodstock and start your own bloodlines by combining their frogs with the wild stock you already have. That can enhance everyone's world by diversifing the gene pool.

I agree that very few animals should be imported, and the ones that are should be the more rare in the hobby and then only a pair or very few frogs should be removed. It seems that some people believe that there aren't that many darts in the wild but it is not like that at all. While in Costa Rica darts are everywhere!!! Blue Jean Pumulios which are very rare right now in the hobby are everywhere! There had to be at least 2 in every square foot, no exaggeration. There are even more auratus there. I know this does not apply to every dart frog, but I just wanted to clear that just because there aren't many of a certain frog in the hobby doesn't mean that there are less or the same amount in the wild.
Mark Jemison

Well lets figure out how to get more species over here... I have read that panama has started there own fog farms.
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Kyle
www.kylesphotos.com
D. leucomelas
D. azureus

thats frog farms...
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Kyle
www.kylesphotos.com
D. leucomelas
D. azureus

The fact that their are a ton of frogs in the wild now really is irrelevant. Cytrid has wiped out huge population of frogs in the blink of an eye. We need to keep this in mind and really do our best to captive breed what we can.
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Brian Ferriera JR
Plympton, Ma

P. Terribilis (orange)
P.Bicolor (soon)
D. azureus
D. ventrimaculatus
E. hahneli
D. tinctorius (Oyapok )
D. Fantasticus
D. leucomelas
D. castaneoticus (soon)

Your introduction: "Aloha" suggests you are in Hawaii. Do you have the Dendrobates auratus which were introduced into Hawaii some years ago, ostensibly for insect control? If my guess is right, you have neither a "native" nor a threatened species, but an introduction that may possibly have been captured by someone near your own back yard. From what I've read, after being introduced, these frogs prospered (without doing much for insect control) and some of our more readily available green and black frogs are now from Hawaii.

This might make a difference in everyone's attitude toward a "wild captive" vs "captive bred." This is just a guess, because other than "Aloha," there was no other clue. Whether I'm right or wrong, what the others said, is still true, especially quarantining any new introductions before putting them with the others.
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Patty
Lost River, Idaho

"Aloha" suggests you are in Hawaii and that the frogs you have are the Dendrobates auratus which were introduced to Hawaii some years ago as insect control. They didn't control insects, but prospered and are often a source of "black and greens" on the continent. Your wild captured frogs could have been nabbed right out your back door by someone. They are neither truly native to Hawaii, nor threatened. Whether I'm right about my guess or wrong, what the others have said is still true. You should be especially careful about new introductions-- quarantining them for awhile. While this is always a logical thing to do, it is especially important in a situation where intermediate parasite hosts are already established for the species. A frog coming here to Idaho, for instance, is not likely to meet up with a specific insect or other alternate parasite host from it's own native habitat, so is very unlikely to pass the parasite on to another frog. Some parasite cycles are circumvented by putting the frog in a habitat where it is impossible to complete host specific parasite cycles. There is still the problem of infection by direct contact from one frog to another, so wherever you are, a period of quarantine is a must.

I suspect we aren't dealing with the true meaning of "wild caught" vs. captive bred here, due to a misunderstanding of where you live and where the frogs were captured.
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Patty
Lost River, Idaho

Sorry about this double answer, but the first time, it didn't show up and I thought I'd lost it, so typed it again a bitr differently.
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Patty
Lost River, Idaho

Aloha,

Yes I do live in Hawaii. And yes slaytonp, the green and black pdf are an introduced species. As far as buying captive bred pdf here, there are none. Pet stores only sell tree frogs. Because Hawaii is an island, laws are very strict about foreign species of anything. I love frogs, especially pdf and the only ones I can have are the auratus. I am so envious of you people on the mainland because you have access to all those beautiful pdfs. But I live in paradise so who am I to complain.

Anyway, I will quarantine these frogs and then they will live in a vivarium castle and be treated like kings and queens.

Thanks. DKW

One of the best breeders in this country is out in Hawaii he has permits for PDF and keeps ALLOT of stuff. E-mail me if you would like more info.
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Brian Ferriera JR
Plympton, Ma

P. Terribilis (orange)
P.Bicolor (soon)
D. azureus
D. ventrimaculatus
E. hahneli
D. tinctorius (Oyapok )
D. Fantasticus
D. leucomelas
D. castaneoticus (soon)