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RicK Denmon

Ball Boutique,Inc.

or how about him freeing that spy in china, and getting her into the U.S., only for her to turn around, and spy on us..

Let's examine, for a moment, why your reply, much like yourself, is without merit.

1) It has nothing to do with the topic at hand. Rather, it is just another one of your feeble attempts to insert a red herring into a thread. Utilizing a logical thought process doesn't seem to be your forté.

I'm sure that you're incensed that the Commander in Chief has done something honorable such as visiting troops at BIA and serving them Thanksgiving dinner. Then again, your opinion is irrelevant as far as I'm concerned.

2) Your statement about Gao Zhan is factually innacurate. In other words, Sobek, you're either lying or grossly ignorant.

a) Gao Zhan was not spying on the US for China. Her crimes were illegally exporting microprocessors and tax evasion. Illegally exporting commercial goods does not equate to spying.
b) These illegal exports took place prior to her being jailed in China.

Now then, let's try to keep this thread on topic, shall we? Rick asked a specific question. He did not ask for any of your off-topic misinformation or inane anti-American blathering.

>Gao Zhan was not spying on the US for China. Her crimes were illegally exporting microprocessors.

Sorry kenny, looks like you have your panties in a wad.
Ok let me put this so a child could understand. When you send another country things you can use in missile guidance systems. That is SPYING. Get off your high horse lil guy. IT is what it IS!!

As far as dubya going to Iraq. I'm sure those guys would rather have been at home with their own family, not part of his PR stunt..

And remember it is UN American, to call someone Anti American because they dont share your lust for bushy...

Conversely, factual argument seems to be your weak point. Let's examine your reply point by point, shall we?

Sorry kenny, looks like you have your panties in a wad.
Sorry to disappoint, but I'm not a cross dresser. Of course, you're the one who's bent out of shape over being proven wrong, so the expression would be more applicable to you.

Ok let me put this so a child could understand. When you send another country things you can use in missile guidance systems. That is SPYING. Get off your high horse lil guy. IT is what it IS!!
Rather than manipulate it so a naive child could "understand" your revisionist definition, let's talk in grown-up terms.

Nothing that Gao Zhan did fits the definition of espionage, as per the United States Code. She violated Department of Commerce regulations regarding the export of dual-use items. The export to China of these processors is not prohibited. Rather, it is restricted. There is a difference.

As far as dubya going to Iraq. I'm sure those guys would rather have been at home with their own family, not part of his PR stunt..
Of course they would have rather been home, but those of us in the Armed Forces know that we have a job to do in Iraq. We live by a set of core values, one of which is Service Before Self.

GWB's visit was a tremendous morale booster for the men and women in uniform, unlike Hillary's visit. As CiC, Bush did the right thing by visiting his troops on Thanksgiving, serving them their dinner, and letting them know that their country supports them. It's funny how the liberal left is fast to criticize even Bush taking an upstanding action. As already stated, Bush's visit served the purpose of giving troops a morale boost, something that never happened when we were bombing aspirin factories into oblivion during the 90's.

And remember it is UN American, to call someone Anti American because they dont share your lust for bushy...
You assume too much.

>>factual argument seems to be your weak point.

And yours as well.

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And where would that be ken? I have not seen you add anything to the conversations...

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What a joke. So you think she is just some poor chick caught up in the mix huh? GET REAL!! She is a criminal!! I don’t give a rat’s @ss how smart she is, or how hard she has worked. SHE IS A CRIMNAL!! She was CONVICTED of "spying" for Taiwan by the Chinese government, ILLIGEALY sent microprocessors to Chinese military research and development center’s from America, Did not file the millions of dollars made from these transactions with the I.R.S. etc. etc. etc. So no buddy she is not Innocent...

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By Jerry Markon and William Branigin
Washington Post Staff Writers
Wednesday, November 26, 2003; 4:25 PM

A former American University researcher who was once
imprisoned in China as
an accused spy for Taiwan pleaded guilty today to U.S.
charges that she
exported 80 microprocessors to the Chinese government
that could be used in
aircraft weapons systems.

Gao Zhan, 43, entered her plea in U.S. District Court
in Alexandria to
charges of illegally exporting a controlled item and
tax fraud. In a halting
voice interrupted by occasional tears, she said she
knew she needed a U.S.
government license to export the sophisticated
equipment but did not apply
for one because she thought it would be denied.

Prosecutors told a federal judge that Gao had obtained
the
microprocessors -- which are legal in the United
States but cannot be
exported to China and other countries because of their
potential military
use -- by misrepresenting herself as needing them for
research work for a
Northern Virginia university.

In reality, officials said, she was running an export
business and sent the
equipment to a procurement agency for the Chinese
government, which sent her
a $540,000 wire transfer as payment. She and her
husband, Xue Donghua, who
was also charged today in connection with the case,
then failed to report
the income on their U.S. tax forms, prosecutors said.

Assistant U.S. Attorney James P. Gillis said in court
that the
microprocessors can be used in military aircraft and
to control missile
guidance systems.

"This is an important case and a serious matter
involving national
security," said Paul J. McNulty, the U.S. Attorney in
Alexandria.

It was a bizarre turn of events in the story of Gao,
whose 166-day detention
as an accused spy for Taiwan caused diplomatic
problems between the U.S. and
Chinese governments in 2001.

Gao, then a researcher at American University and a
U.S. permanent resident,
was arrested Feb. 11, 2001, by Chinese authorities and
imprisoned for more
than five months in Beijing. She was sentenced to 10
years in prison on July
24, 2001, for allegedly spying for Taiwan, then
expelled from China two days
later and sent back to the United States.

"Yes, I am free now," she wrote in an opinion piece
that ran in The
Washington Post in August 2001, "but am I really free
of fear? My answer
would have to be no. . . . I fear retribution from the
Chinese government
that has just persecuted me. . . . I fear for my
future because my good name
has been smeared by a false charge. . . ."

Three weeks before the piece was published, Gao had
been scheduled to be
sworn in as a U.S. citizen in a Capitol Hill ceremony
organized by Sen.
George Allen (R-Va.). The ceremony was abruptly
canceled by immigration
officials.

According to a U.S. official familiar with the case,
the naturalization
ceremony was called off because of the pending
criminal investigation, which
had been underway since the fall of 2000.

The investigation was conducted primarily by agents of
U.S. Customs and the
Defense Criminal Investigative Service, the U.S.
Attorney's office in
Alexandria said in a statement. The statement said it
began when Gao, using
the alias "Gail Heights," tried to buy sensitive
technology from a U.S.
manufacturer, which alerted authorities after
discovering that she gave a
false reason for wanting the items.

Whether Gao's imprisonment in China was part of an
elaborate cover story
involving complicity by the Chinese government remains
a mystery, the U.S.
official said. But he said shipments that Gao had
arranged of high-tech
items to China continued while she was in prison in
Beijing.

According to the official, Gao had been shipping
banned high-tech items to
China for four years before she was caught and had
earned more than $1.5
million from the sales.

The shipment for which she was charged involved
80 "Military Intel486 DX2
microprocessors," according to government documents. A
government "statement
of facts" in the case says this microprocessor can be
used on military
aircraft in "navigation, digital flight control and
weapons fire control
systems, radar data processing, and airborne battle
management systems," as
well as in missiles to identify, locate and destroy
targets. The statement
adds that the device "also may have non-military
applications, including
applications in commercial aviation."

The statement of facts says a search of Gao's home
produced documents
showing she had entered into contracts and shipped
items to the Nanjing
Research Institute of Electronics Technology, an
entity also known by
various other names, including "the 14th Institute."
The statement said the
institute "is involved in the development of radar
systems for the military
of the PRC," or People's Republic of China, and "has
designed most of the
PRC's strategic and early warning radars."

Gao said in court that when she returned to her McLean
home after being
released by the Chinese, she learned that her husband
had filed a false tax
return that did not reflect income from the sale of
the microprocessors. "I
didn't do anything to correct it," she said.

Her husband pleaded guilty today to a misdemeanor in
connection with the
filing of the false tax return.

Attorneys for Gao did not challenge the government's
contentions but pointed
out that the microprocessors also have civilian
applications and that the
Chinese procurement agency also does nonmilitary work.

Gao faces up to 13 years in prison when she is
sentenced on March 5. She was
released after the hearing on a $50,000 personal
recognizance bond.

The plea hearing almost came undone in court because
Gao said she thought
prosecutors had promised to recommend a 50 percent
reduction in her sentence
if she cooperated in their ongoing investigation.
Gillis said any reduction
would depend on the level of her cooperation. He added
that the government
was "aware of" other alleged criminal activity by Gao
but was declining to
prosecute it.

"I place my hope upon the integrity of the
prosecutors," Gao said.

© 2003 The Washington Post Company

I never once said, or inferred, that Gao Zhan was innocent or just some poor chick caught up in the mix.

Since you're a bit slow on the uptake, let's just rehash the bits of misinformation that I corrected for you.
1) You claimed that Gao Zhan was spying on the US for China. The simple truth is that her actions do not constitute the act of espionage. Indeed, she did commit a crime, and her exports were undoubtedly not being used in home computers.

2) You inferred that her illegal exports took place after the Chinese released her. However, it's plainly stated in the article that you posted that these exports took place before her detention in China.

3)Unfortunately, the Washington Post article that you posted also contains an error. In the article, it states that export of these processors to China is prohibited. The processors in question are classified as a "dual use item" by the DoC, and their export to Third Tier Countries (China, Israel, etc) is regulated by license.

Now then, I must ask you which you would have found preferable- Gao Zhan sitting in China, or Gao Zhan returned to the US and prosecuted?

See that is a problem. If she was accused of spying in China for Taiwan, but sent microprocessors to China from the U.S., who is she working for? Taiwan or China? Why would China accuse her, if she worked for them? A twisted tale indeed.

But who should punish her was the ?

Well if we "The US" do it, she will get some cushy jail cell, with 3 meals, and cable TV. Dental, medical care and so on.

I doubt the Chinese government supplies such lavish accommodations to their inmates, but I'm not sure they would do anything at all. Hell she was working with them.

Maybe we should send her to an ally of ours. Where torture, and public beheadings are the norm. Saudi Arabia perhaps?

What do you think should happen to her?

Who is Marc Rich?

I am just RicK
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RicK Denmon

Ball Boutique,Inc.