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This is Dali. He/she is housed in a 29 gallon long aqaurium with plants and two water areas. I usually take him out to feed him.

Ok, about the pink on his nose. I first noticed it awhile after I was taking him out to eat. I think it is because he bashed his nose against the tub I feed him in when he lunges at crickets. It is getting better.

I am contemplating getting another wtf... but I am afraid the one at this pet store is too small. If they are both males will they fight? Just curious.

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Starkey
Mystic Eye

I'm sorry. I'm a bit confused. The "tub you feed him in"? You don't feed him in his tank? If not, may I ask why? And no, the frogs will not fight, but the larger one will attempt to eat the smaller one. But if you decide on purchasing the new Whites anyway, I assume that you will no doubt quarintine the new frog for a month or two as is standard procedure when obtaining new captives, why not just wait to add him until he gets bigger? But that size tank will be too small for two adult Whites, so you may want to hold off on that.
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*~~Whitney~~*

There are two types of people in this world, good and bad. The good sleep better, but the bad seem to enjoy the waking hours much more.

A 29 long is not suitable for an arboreal tree frog. Height is much preferred over length. Sorry, I misread the first post and thought 29 tall until I re-read it.
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*~~Whitney~~*

There are two types of people in this world, good and bad. The good sleep better, but the bad seem to enjoy the waking hours much more.

I feed in a sterlite tub because I do not want the frog eat any of the cypress mulch substrate. Also, there is alot of decor in the cage, so crickets would get under logs and such.

When I researched wtfs, I was told a 20 gal would be fine for an adult. So, I thought the 29 gal long alittle better. It is about 36" long, 12" wide, and 18" high..... I am going to put backgrounds on it, so he wont bump his nose as much and I am going to watch him more closely while feeding.

Thanks alot for the help, it was very appreciated.
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Starkey
Mystic Eye

Definately looks like a snout rub. keep a close eye on the abrasion to make sure it does not get infected. Keep the glass and the entire housing setup real clean. I would reccomend using a topical antibiotic on the rub- which one (tetracycline?) I don't know- better ask colchicine about that one. Anyway, keep your mind set on this individual and try not to be lured by the thoughts of replacement animals. Wait until you know how this incident happened so that it may not be repeated. For frogs that like to feel out their enclosures a lot, which may be the case here- add some sort of background onto the tank so that there is a visual physical barrier- this way the frog isn't just looking through glass and trying to get through.

Good luck,
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Justin
stk18119@loki.stockton.edu

D.auratus
D.leucomelas
D.tinctorius (lorenzo, yellowback, citro, pb, oyopock,etc.)
D.azureus
D.ventrimaculatus (yellow/gold)
D.pumilio (blue jeans, solid red)
P.aurotaenia (narrow bands/green)
P.bicolor
E.tricolor (Santa Isabel)
H. leucophyllata
P. hypochondrialis azurea
P. resinfictrix
etc.......

just want to help out your poor froggie here...

first off, heres an idea:why dont you turn the 29 long onto its side so its one really tall tank? i had a really long 40 breeder,and turned it on its side and my frogs are hardly on the floor. the floor room is not missed a bit. they need more climbing room then anything. think about it.

2nd, i know whitney has advised against it but i do think that a 29 gallon will be okay for 2. the minimal for a whites is a 20. for 20 its 30, so your only short by a gallon, i think the stretch can be made. but bigger is ALWAYS better. maybe invest in a bigger tank anyways?( i didnt keep mine in the 29 for long,theyre now in a 40)

3rdly i noticed you said you had 2 swimming areas, used cypress mulch substrate and had no background on your aquarium. swimming areas are not needed for tree frogs. they do need a very shallow water bowl, but it should be any deeper then an inch. somehting do so they can just lay in, no more,no less. how deep are the water areas you have? about the cypress mulch,get that out of there. i know you dont feed the frog in its tank, but there is still a huge risk with it in there. it could eat the mulch,you dont want that to happen. go get one of those bed a beast bricks(also under the name eco-earth) it is compressed coconut fiber, you put it in a pail or bucket of water and it expands up to 8 times its original size,it works super well.the reason the frog has the noserub is because its been trying to escape most likely. it doesnt feel too secure in its enclosure. do you have branches and stuff for it to climb on,and plants and all? what are the temperatures like?humidity? how often and how much do you feed?

i think feeding the fro gin another enclosur eis okay,i used to do that when i was new and trying to keep track of my frogs,i fed them in seperate ocntainers so i could monitor how much they ate. i gave up on that and just throw crickets in now.

get some background on that tank! can yuou post some pics of your tank for us? maybe we can help you further. you should get your current frog straightened away before you get another or even look into getting another.

From left to right.

In the left corner there is a live plant with big leaves(dragon plant? I lost the name of the plant). Next to it is a basket that is on it's side. I put plastic lining on the bottom and I pour water in it. It is kind of like a wallow, he probally has about a 1/2 inch of water in there. That is one of the "swimming areas". Then there is a stick that stretches across the entire tank that is big enough for him to rest on. Under it is some type of fake plant. Then in the middle, but closer to the right side of the tank is a water bowl that is filled with about 2 inches of water. Which is the 2nd swimming area. The diameter is about 4 inches. Then in the right side of the tank is a large philodendren. Not much vertical space, I am going to work on that. I am also going to add a back ground. On the ground is alot of moss too. I need to clean his cage out, so I think I will use the bed a beast stuff(or eco earth..whatever). I like it alot, I use it for my boa constrictors and other snakes. I really like the cypress mulch though, but you are right, a frog would probally do better with the eco earth.

I used to have him in a 20 gallon long that was upright. THe problem was that he never seemed to utilize the vertical space. I would come in at night and see him in a corner, behind a plant. In this 29 gal, he is everywhere. On the glass, most of the time. If I put this tank upright, I am afraid it will fall over. The base would be so small... 12inches by 18. And it would either be 30 or 36 inches high... Lots of vertical space but I am too paranoid it would fall over.

For feeding. I try and feed him every other day, and I let him eat about 8-10 medium sized crickets. I am thinking they are too small, so I starting to give him some larger ones. He usually takes 5 or 6 of those. Is that an ok feeding regimen? I have yet to try and get him to eat a pinky mouse, I dont really want to waste the money if wont eat a frozen one.

The over all humidity ranges from 50-70%. The temp...it ranges too. I have no heat on him because he is in the reptile room and that stays from 75-78. I just checked his cage and it is about 80. Is that alright? I am thinking I need to do some more research. He is so cool though, I just walked in and he is on the glass his belly towards me. Cool frog. Here are some pics of him. I will take some more pics when my girlfriend brings her camera over, that is how I got these pics. You guys are really helpful and I thank you alot for teaching me the right stuff.

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Starkey
Mystic Eye

Sorry for the bluriness. Hopefully when I get the background up, he'll stop bashing his nose. Thanks again.

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Starkey
Mystic Eye