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Of course these are just my thoughts and in a post-modern world I am allowed my own "opinion" without being judged unless of course I was a Christian, oh wait, that is another topic altogether.... I am into philosophy and psychology...sorry

The conservationist has his or her mind on preserving habitat, not individuals. Habitat destruction is and always has been the number one death threat to native species. Take v. beccari for example... A conservationist would say that it doesn't really matter if you remove a FEW animals, because we need to worry more about preserving Aru. It is the over importation of animals and the practices of farming animals that is hurtful and that coupled with insane practices of habitat destruction is wiping out our chances of ever seeing rare monitor species.

Captive breeding or producing captive born and bred animals is a key factor in reducing the worth of imported animals. Animals are imported for monetary reasons when we start hacking away at the monetary worth and make captive bred animals more appealing importations slows down. Because importation is not bad in moderation and when it is done very well. Captive bred animals are typically devoid of the problems imports have such as parasites, fatigue and of course unknown RI's and sudden deaths of animals even after months of no symptoms. Of course that is all based on our husbandry which is why we are here, right? Good.

So go out and pay that high dollar to whoever and get something thats worth it. People only take care of their monitors comparatively to how much they spent on it anyhow.

top of the day,

andrew
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Varanus Creations

These thoughts are nothing new.

And unfortunately, nobody cares.

Thousands of Sav. owners can't be wrong.

yeah, you are right creeps, it was kind of aimed a few thoughts down.

andrew
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Varanus Creations

"So go out and pay that high dollar to whoever and get something thats worth it. People only take care of their monitors comparatively to how much they spent on it anyhow."

Excuse me??? Thank you but no.. that isn't always it... For those who want an animal that "looks cool" to their friends this may be true.. but such an all inclusive statement, is, to put it simply, bull[bleep]. Regardless of how much I pay for my animals, they are all given the best of treatment that I can manage... regular vet checkups...good food and housing... etc. I got my boa for free.. but just because it was free doesn't mean I'm in any way going to neglect that animal and I know thats true for alot of people on this board and others.
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Lucien

1.0 Columbian Redtail Boa (BCI)
2.1 Leopard geckos (2 Blizzard and 1 het Blizzard)
0.1 Savannah Monitor
13 rats
12 Gerbils
2 Dogs
3 cats
1 Albino Corey (fish)

good job lucien, you are the exception, and there are a few more. it is a general rule and a true one at that. andrew
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Varanus Creations

There are many things wrong with this. First, about importation, is not really about conservation, its about politics. For some countries, the government makes big smokescreens about conversation and endangered such and such, with another, they import hundreds of thousands of skins and live animals. Hmmmmmmmmm

About respect, we(keepers) should understand, what it takes for you to hold a wild caught monitor. First, it took the lives of hundreds to produce one, then it takes many to survive getting yo your hands. Many monitors have givin their lives, so you can either take good care or not.

About cost, there are always costs to produce monitors, whether in captivity or not. With the case of wildcaughts and the eggs stolen from nests and females, nature pays the costs. Just think how cheap it would be if all we had to do is ship them.

About conservation, having americans talk about this is kinda funny. Conservation is about not wasting energy, even things like buttpaper causes the distruction of trees. By the way, americans are not the only ones envolved in habitat destruction, Japan and the EU are also very good at it too. Take care, F