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Alright, well I'm planning on getting like...2 or 3 blizzard leopard geckos soon. Just got a couple of questions about them, though. First of all, whats with the color. I often see pics of babies/juveniles, and they are like pure wite, like snow (which, i assume is the color theyre supposed to have). But then I see a pic of an adult and its looks really dark..kinda gray...are they supposed to discolor like that?

Secondly, are they at all less tolerant of strong light or high temperatures? It just seems like that white skin is more fragile and easily burned

Lastly, whats the deal with these banana blizzards? Are they just blizzards with a yellow body? If so, do they keep that color forever or does it sorta fade away as they grow older? (you see, ive only seen pics of hatchling banana blizzards)

thanks in advance

You're asking some good questions, and the only one I'm going to try and answer is the last one. Bananna blizzards are both patternless AND blizzard. Deal with trustworthy breeders though, as I've heard about people trying to pass off yellowish blizzards (there is a range of coloration) as bannana blizzards.

>>Lastly, whats the deal with these banana blizzards? Are they just blizzards with a yellow body? If so, do they keep that color forever or does it sorta fade away as they grow older? (you see, ive only seen pics of hatchling banana blizzards)
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>>thanks in advance
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Andrea A.

A banana blizzard is not a patternless blizzard. A banana blizzard is produced by crossing blizzards and high yellows. I believe prehistoric pets first reported that banana blizzards were patternless blizzards but have since proved that to be wrong.
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You can never have just one gecko. Actually it is almost impossible to have two
My Geckos

While definitions may be changing, a yellow blizzard is a yellow blizzard. People were working hard on removing the yellow from blizzards. Now it looks like someone's figured out they can call a yellow blizzard a "blazing blizzard" and charge a lot for it, instead of selling it at a discount due to color.

Whether a blizzard is yellowish or white is really a matter of taste I suppose.

Anyone buying 'banana blizzards' or 'super-hypo' would do well to make sure you and the seller are using the same definition.
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Andrea A.

The breeder did purchase 'banana blizzards'? And not pass those on telling people that they do indeed have the paternless genes when they really don't? There are still breeders that believe banana blizzard IS patternless and not the fluke that Prehistoric Pets thought it to be.

BTW... most of the banana blizzards I've seen for sale are nothing but high yellow blizzards. And while Jay at Prehistoric Pets told me in person that bananas are not paternless at all, the site design is so old on BlizzardLizard.com that it still says they are.

Supposedly a few more breeders have produced 'patternless blizzards' but I haven't seen one yet. I'm in the market for one. There are still blizzards that are het for patternless because of the initial breeding attempts, but most of the banana blizards people sell are still only yellow blizzards.

My information was based on:

http://www.blizzardlizard.com/index1.asp?request=about

Are you saying that patternless and blizzard leopard geckos are mutually exclusive? That their genetics are such that a leopard gecko cannot be both at once?

As far as a breeder unknowingly passing on yellow blizzards as patternless blizzards (bananna blizzards) because he paid a premium to Prehistoric Pets for them, believing they were really patternless blizzards, I would think he had a valid court case. Not that I'm encouraging sueing, but Prehistoric Pets clearly says they ARE both patternless and blizzard -- and if they know different yet are still selling them under false pretenses, isn't that fraud?

Would they do that? In no way am I making accusations here, I'm just genuinely puzzled.
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Andrea A.

You can see on the site itself that that page wasn't updated in a LONG time.

I live a 40 minute drive from Prehistoric Pets and bought my male directly from Jay himself. After a few months I stopped back in with my male so I could show them how he was doing. Jay was there and I asked him if he had any banana blizzads on sale at the time. I told him I wanted to get the patternless genes, but having a few more blizzards would be great.
Jay told me that there was NO patternless involved in the banana blizzard at all. It was a mistake made by them because the first high yellow blizzard showed up after a blizzard was crossed into patternless lines.

This was directly from the originator of the line himself. If anything... you could always e-mail him about it. Maybe more questions about it will get him to update the site 9.9

Keep in mind the contact us page states: Please Excuse our dust. We changed servers over the weekend, rendering this contact form inoperable. It should be back up and running by Wednesday, June 5, 2002. Thanks for your understanding

You can see hom long it's been... ).)
E-mail them about it if you'ld like =3
mailto:info@prehistoricpets.com

Thanks, I had no idea -- because they were selling 'bananna blizzards' and getting people worked up about the idea of 'blazing bananna blizzards', I bought the hype. Wow, that web page sure is misleading. Wrong even. Dang.
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Andrea A.

As stated in the other reply, banana blizzards are not patternless blizzards. I don't know of any that are actually patternless blizzards.
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You can never have just one gecko. Actually it is almost impossible to have two
My Geckos

Thanks for the replies. The information I was going from was from the following website:

http://www.blizzardlizard.com/index1.asp?request=about

I believe its Prehistoric Pet's site as their 'availability' link looks identical.

According to this page, the first blizzard was bred to a patternless and all four offspring were normal in appearance. If you breed two patternless or two blizzard, all offspring should resemble the parents.

If this information is incorrect, if they lied, I would like to know. Can you show me where Prehistoric Pets has said their 'bananna blizzards' are simply yellow blizzards? I'm not trying to be argumentative, just trying to figure this out.

Should this be the case, are 'blizzard' and 'patternless' mutually exclusive?

Thanks,
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Andrea A.

I don't think that I would say that they were lying on their website, I would say that they jumped the gun a little bit. They posted the information before they had proven it. Why they haven't updated their web page, I don't know. I guess if I were to buy a banana blizzard from them after reading that page, I would assume I was getting a patternless blizzard.

As far as saying that they are mutually exclusive, I don't think I would say that. I have not seen a proven patternless blizzard, but I have not tried to breed them together either. It is hard to say what they would look like. If they would actually be yellow or not.
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You can never have just one gecko. Actually it is almost impossible to have two
My Geckos

After rereading exactly what they say, it is more misleading than lying, although to leave it up now that they know different, without explanation, seems deliberately misleading. I'm very surprised, was there some great outcry that I missed from the people who'd payed a lot of money for what were (then) considered poor quality blizzards?
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Andrea A.

Kelli has it.

Gorgeous little guy. It looks like any other blizzard hatchling, black head and white body...except on the back and neck there's the patternless blotches of yellow.
It's too bad that pattern will fade to solid yellow. Really different looking as babies.

That's exactly what mine looked like! I will post a photo of her below.
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Marcia McGuiness
Golden Gate Geckos
www.goldengategeckos.com

I saw your picture, very beautiful leopard gecko. I'm still kind of stunned that all those earlier "bananna blizzards" were really not patternless blizzards. Do the adults look like patternless leos?

~still reeling,
Andrea

Thanks... like I said in the post below, the breeding was with my male patternless (Lowell) www.goldengategeckos.com/breeder%20pix/lowellblk.jpg and a female blizzard I got last year. This was the first year I produced blizzards, and I do not know her genetic history. I do know that when the offspring hatched, it looked just like any other blizzard hatchling with the exception of the irregular "mottled" spotting on her body similar to a patternless hatchling.
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Marcia McGuiness
Golden Gate Geckos
www.goldengategeckos.com

>>Alright, well I'm planning on getting like...2 or 3 blizzard leopard geckos soon. Just got a couple of questions about them, though. First of all, whats with the color. I often see pics of babies/juveniles, and they are like pure wite, like snow (which, i assume is the color theyre supposed to have). But then I see a pic of an adult and its looks really dark..kinda gray...are they supposed to discolor like that?

They can change there color like other lizards based on their modes and temp of cage. I have two females they live together as of now and the slightly larger one is always grey/blue while the other light a pale look. I've heard that folks are takign there ligtest one and selective breeding and produce what your looking for

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>>Secondly, are they at all less tolerant of strong light or high temperatures? It just seems like that white skin is more fragile and easily burned

Mind do just fine much better than my sub adult albinoe but they are doing well too no that they are young adults.
Xavier
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Leopard Geckos
1.1 Tangerine trempor albino
2 blizzard lizzard female
1.1 Super Hypo Carrot tails (both Baldy)
1 amel corn snake

1.0.0 Common snapping turtle
0.1.0 Belize slider
0.1.0 Egyptian tortoise
0.0.1 blackknobbed sawback
0.0.1 stripeneck musk
0.0.1 nothern DBT

ALL Leopard Geckos look brighter when they are warmer, stress-free, and on a lighter substrate, but none more than my Blizzards.
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Marcia McGuiness
Golden Gate Geckos
www.goldengategeckos.com

Banana blizzards are nothing more than very high yellow blizzards crossed with high yellow leos...... They are not from patternless...... And to clear something else up, the "blazing blizzard" is an albino blizzard....... If anyone trys to sell you hets for 100% blazing banana blizzard and tells you that one parent was a patternless albino and one parent was a blizzard, they are trying to make alot of cash real quick...... If you bred those hets together, you will not produce blazing banana blizzards...... Genetics work good on paper and theory, but it is totally different when you apply it to real life.....

There ARE patternless blizzards. The offspring of a PA and a blizzard COULD produce blazing banana blizzards. I think Marcia of Golden Gate geckos had atleast one patternless blizzard for sale this year. I could be wrong about her having one though.
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Yes, I still have a female patternless x blizzard I may or may not be keeping. What I intended by my post was that my blizzards range in color from pure white to dark grey depending on their mood, temps, and substrate.
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Marcia McGuiness
Golden Gate Geckos
www.goldengategeckos.com

Is this a double het or homo for both traits? If it is homo for both traits, could you post a picture of this gecko?
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You can never have just one gecko. Actually it is almost impossible to have two
My Geckos

This female was produced by breeding my male patternless (Lowell) www.goldengategeckos.com/breeder%20pix/lowellblk.jpg to a blizzard female purchased last year from the Bell's in Florida. I know for certain that Lowell is 100% patternless, but do not know about the female. Perhaps she is a patternless het, but this offspring looked just like a blizzard when she hatched (lost other egg in clutch,) but had that "mottled" appearance of a patternless on her back. I was going to sell her, but am thinking about holding her back for future breeding projects.

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Marcia McGuiness
Golden Gate Geckos
www.goldengategeckos.com

Keep us updated on that project =3
I'm still looking into getting a patt/blizz for my groups. And yours has some nice color

Agian, They are not het for blazing banana blizzard...... The babies will be normal, albino, patternless and blizzard...... Just a quick genetics test will show that to you also....... Patternless and blizzards do not make banana blizzards...... It is alittle deeper then that....... I would like to see a photo of these "het for blazing banana blizzards"........ Why is it that when you cross a patternless with a blizzard all the babies are normal looking????? If those babies had babies there will be normals, blizzards and patternless babies....... There will be NO banana blizzards......

why you are trying to press your point with me by responding to my post(s). I am not arguing with you, and I did NOT state anywhere in this thread anything about producing a "blazing" or "banana" anything!!!
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Marcia McGuiness
Golden Gate Geckos
www.goldengategeckos.com

My original post was not directed to you and neither were any of my other ones....... Sorry that you took it that way...... I was just letting people know what some people try to sell as 100% het for blazing banana blizzards....... You would have to breed three generations befor you would have a chance to produce them....... What does that equate to, about 4 years....... By that time they would be on the market and prices will be way down....... It is rediculous....... Some guy is trying to sell me a pair of hets for 300 bucks....... I just think it is funny how people try to sell things for way more then they are worth....... Again my post werte not directed to you.....

Perhaps you should have responded to the original post.
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Marcia McGuiness
Golden Gate Geckos
www.goldengategeckos.com

???
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Marcia McGuiness
Golden Gate Geckos
www.goldengategeckos.com

np
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Preston Berry
www.coolgeckos.com
prestonberry@austin.rr.com

Oops ran out of room. So those two have actual patternless blizzards as opposed to yellow blizzards. Both have sterling reputations and perhaps next year I'll be in a position to purchase. Right now, I"m up to my ears in home-grown geckos!
Love it though.
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Andrea A.