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Here is the pic you ask

It's an awesome snake. That's for sure.. But one look at that pic and I know there is no Bloodred in it at all.. I would expect faded sadels and no pattern on the head. But then again, I have neer seen a Bloodred Motley in my life so who knows what they will look like. I am sure if you show a picture of the belly which would tell a lot more than this picture that it would show a normal Amel Motley belly.

Marcel

>>Here is the pic you ask
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Marcel Poots (Holland)
'Where is your crown King Nothing?' James Hettfield

Looks like a nice sunglow!

From head 1/3 is pure white and from there the red is mixed and more to the tail its more red.No bloches.

Greatings Jan

That sounds like a normal Motley or Striped belly. A bloodred belly has the creeping red which Motleys and Stripes do not have.

Marcel

>>From head 1/3 is pure white and from there the red is mixed and more to the tail its more red.No bloches.
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>>Greatings Jan

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Marcel Poots (Holland)
'Where is your crown King Nothing?' James Hettfield

I have seen bloodreds with belly´s that has more red than the one you let see .
The snakes i let see in the pic have the same belly you let see.
You can´t tel from the belly iff its bloodred ore not.
The colour must tell that.
But the point off the discusion is The snake i have and the snake on don site are the same here they say amelbloodredmotley and he say sunglowmotley.I ask you to look at the pic and give your meaning about the pictures.The name we give to the snake doesn´t matter at the moment.

Greatings Jan

I hope that I don't misunderstand you, but:
When I buy an AmelanisticBloodredMotley, the snake should produce with a Bloodred => BloodRed het. Amel+Motley, with a Motley => Motley het. Amel+"Bloodred" and with an Amel => Amel het. Motley+"Bloodred"
The thing is, I don't believe that your snake will do so.
There's also a guy here in germany selling "AmelHurricaneBloodred": http://www.guttata-kreutz.de/grafik/bilder/market/bloodred_hurricane_striped_amelanistic_l.jpg

But - - he also says, on his site, that "Motleys" can have belly pattern or not...

I'm against giving the snake a name by it's phenotype, when the same name is also used and more common for a genetic type. In your case especially Bloodred, which includes a special pheno+genotype.

So, I always hope my posts are understandable, if I wrote things about bohemian Farmers, I may have just translated very very wrong. ~hehe~

Greetings from Germany

>>But the point off the discusion is The snake i have and the snake on don site are the same here they say amelbloodredmotley and he say sunglowmotley.I ask you to look at the pic and give your meaning about the pictures.The name we give to the snake doesn´t matter at the moment.

Jan,

I think yours look pretty much the same when you compare to Don's Sunglow. No doubt about that. But naming your snake is very much the issue. You keep on insisting you have a Bloodred Amel Motley. That is what keeps comming back in the disscussion. I don't care how you call you snakes. But I do care that if you breed the snakes and you will sell the offspring as 'Bloodred Amel Motley' In fact, I would even be affraid you would not sell them as hybrids. Cause that is what they are. No matter how many generation back Lampropeltis was used they are hybrids. I am at work right now but I will make pictures of my Motley belly's so you can see yours will look exactly the same. I will again make a Bloodred belly picture and show the difference.

Marcel
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Marcel Poots (Holland)
'Where is your crown King Nothing?' James Hettfield

There are already quite good pictures available
Amel-Motley

BloodRed1
AmelBloodRed

For more pictures to compare, visit kornnatterlexikon.de => Gallery and then you choose the pictures and click on them to get the belly-shot (if available).

Greetings

Indeed these are good pictures. But I will make a picture of my Amel Motley because it has a very red belly so Jan can see a Red belly does not nessecarily mean it is a Bloodred.

Marcel

>>There are already quite good pictures available
>>Amel-Motley
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>>BloodRed1
>>AmelBloodRed
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>>For more pictures to compare, visit kornnatterlexikon.de => Gallery and then you choose the pictures and click on them to get the belly-shot (if available).
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>>Greetings
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Marcel Poots (Holland)
'Where is your crown King Nothing?' James Hettfield

I didn´t name the snakes i have the name came from pablo you now that.
The point is how must i call my type off snake to be onnest to the people.The hybrid story is out off the question because then there are more colours who are not cornsnakes.

Greatings Jan

>>You can´t tel from the belly iff its bloodred ore not.
>>The colour must tell that.

Bloodred has nothing to do with color. Bloodred is a pattern morph. A Pewter is not red but is a Bloodred isn't it? Bloodred is reconized by fading pattern and a white belly with creeping coloring. Not a white belly (with 1/3 red) like a Motley or a stripe. I wish you understand that first.

Marcel
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Marcel Poots (Holland)
'Where is your crown King Nothing?' James Hettfield

I think bloodred is not a colour or pattern mutation but a sellect breeding thing

>>I think bloodred is not a colour or pattern mutation but a sellect breeding thing
http://forums.kingsnake.com/view.php?id=264884,264884

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Marcel Poots (Holland)
'Where is your crown King Nothing?' James Hettfield

Very nice Amel motley, but it's not bloodred. It would make a nice starting breeder for -creating- a line of bloodred motleys, but it's not one.

-Kat
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"You keep WHAT in your freezer?"
"Mice. And rats. If that bothers you, I can call them 'cows' instead."

The line where this corn is from is a bloodred line sorry

Jan,

That's not a bloodred. I'm sorry, but whoever sold it to you lied. It's an amel motley. Don does not have any bloodred motleys. He's said that over and over (see the previous thread). He's also said he bred his sunglow motleys himself, and never had any bloodred lineage to them. Pablo lied to you if he told you that Don's snakes came from his bloodlines.

I know it's hard for you to accept that your snake isn't what it was sold to you as. I know, because last year (or was it spring of this year?), Marcel was going through the same thing. Someone had sold him a snake labeled as a 'bloodred motley', but wasn't, and it took those of us on the forums posting LOTS of pictures in order to convince Marcel, even though it was readily apparant to the rest of us..

Whoever sold you that snake for SURE lied about Don's stock, and since he's already caught in one lie, I would be more than willing to bet he's lied to you about the bloodlines of your snake as well. Especially given the picture you posted. You breed your 'amelbloodmotley' to a true bloodred, and you'll be getting normals 'het' bloodred.

I'm sorry. You were lied to.

-Kat
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"You keep WHAT in your freezer?"
"Mice. And rats. If that bothers you, I can call them 'cows' instead."

Yep Kat,

I had to learn the hard way. The problem is in Europe that all the high end morphs are not readily available. I simply never had seen a Bloodred in my whole life. But I remember me believing you guys rather quick.. LOL Btw, it was winter 2002.

Marcel

>> I know, because last year (or was it spring of this year?), Marcel was going through the same thing. Someone had sold him a snake labeled as a 'bloodred motley', but wasn't, and it took those of us on the forums posting LOTS of pictures in order to convince Marcel, even though it was readily apparant to the rest of us..
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Marcel Poots (Holland)
'Where is your crown King Nothing?' James Hettfield