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did the goverment put a ban on importing animals from indo?

Alex Oliver

Indonesia will be stopping the export of all cites. It has not went through as of yet that I know of but they are in the works. Indo. has been threatened because they were late with there reports. Thats about all I heard so far.

I am looking into it further now to see if anything new has happened.

Ok not much of an update.

anyways I guess Jan. 1st is when we will find out for sure whats going on with Indo. As for now just be aware that it may be stopping.

So all of you into indo's work a little harder breeding them it may be your last chance.

If this were the case and imports were stopped, it might be one of the best things to happen to your hobby (as well as the wild monitors). The currently most widely bred monitors are all from one country that doesn't allow exports, so this may just provide the incentive for people to go all out trying to breed Indonesian species.

it could also go the other way very easily. most of us working with indo's are not haven the easiest time getting them reproducing.

But I do see what your getting at. I guess it is a gamble.

Hopefully the best will come of it which ever way it happens to go.

if you are having troubles breeding them, then the answer surely isn't to import more. If they stopped importation tomorrow, you'd be left to breed the ones you already have. Any that are too difficult to breed will simply fade out of the pet trade, as they should.

I agree to agree to an extent and can leave it at that.

I dont want this to turn into a debate on wether importing is good or bad, or the animals are better off without then with. Or if the skin trade is worse then the pet trade. etc.etc.etc.

Maybe I am being selfish, but not being able to breed peachies again because my female died would suck.
I am one of those that believe the pet trade puts comparativly little burden on the wild population compared to logging, etc.
Having said that, I beleive that we should have some sort of licensing in order to keep these animals.

-In reference to the permit remark. However, I couldnt agree with you more.
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My biggest issue, of course, is with the lesser known species with limited distribution whose numbers aren't monitored (excuse the pun) or regulated in any way.

However, even though habitat destruction and the skin trade kill more of these animals than the pet trade (who do suffer a Darwinian death, even if they thrive in captivity for another 20 years), that doesn't mean the pet trade doesn't have an effect. It isn't an either or thing, it's an added thing, so however many are killed by the pet trade must be added on to the number killed for the leather trade and through habitat destruction, not subtracted from. In other words, the leather trade people never say 'well, 10,000 were taken for pets this year, so we'll kill 10,000 fewer for leather'. They'll still kill however many thousand they usually do for leather. But the monitor population still has to deal with an additional 10,000 taken for pets. (I just pulled that number out of my head, as I have no idea what the real figures are)

I believe the difficulty in breeding indo's is not because they are indo's, but because they are wild caught.
I can't say for sure, but I would imagine when the aussie monitors were first bred, the folks doing it had just as difficult a time as we do.
I am raising some captive bred dums now, hopefully they aren't crazy like a lot of the imports.

I believe that is the trouble with indo's as well. It takes me a long time to just calm them down enough to see me. Now I guess if I had bought 10 babies or something then I would of had better luck. But instead I did it the hard way just getting a pair or trio here and there some young some adults.

For example I got my male cumingi in Ja. of this year he just now is taking food from the tongs and yesterday from my hands. (no I do not advocate everyone hand feeding btw). Before this I had to put it in then hide if he saw me he would drop it or throw it up.

I agree with you on the indo's being stopped , pet trade, versus conservationist speal. I just didnt feel like going there cause last time I did I got bombarded LOL

Good luck with them dumerils. Permits would work well, here in FL. you need a permit to keep wildlife in general.