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Jan,

I will try to explain something about bloodred to you. First off let me show you pictures of the belly of my normal Amel Motley. Note, this snake has 0% Bloodred in her genes:

As you can see the first part of the neck is white and the last 2/3 is colored. No bloodred or whatsoever in here...

Now look at this Amel Bloodred belly:

Please notice that the white goes all the way to the end. The big difference with a Motley or Striped is that the belly has creeping (in Dutch 'op kruipend rood') and that the white has a metallic glance (lijkt mataal achtig). Motley and Stripe do not have this.

Then bloodreds have a faded pattern (een vervagend patroon):

Most Bloodred babies have a lot of grey coloring. Some have complete grey heads. That is because 99% of all Bloodreds have NO HEAD PATTERN:

You talk about linebred color. That is absolutely not the case with Bloodred. Linebred is used in CandyCane, Crimson, Sunglow. Bloodred is a pure Pattern morph. Here are some other colored Bloodreds:

Bloodred Anery A:

Please notice the fading pattern and white belly and head without pattern. Picture courtesy of Don from SMR.

Bloodred Anery B:

Picture courtesy of Don Soderberg.

Here is a classic example from a Bloodred. Also from Don S.:

Now, about the Bloodred you think there is in your snakes. I have talked with Pablo over this a year ago. I asked him why he called them Bloodred Motleys. He told me because they are very red. I asked if there any true Bloodred in their genes. He told me 'No'. I have tried to tell you before. I will ask Pablo to join the discussion over here.

So, looking at your snakes, I think they lack all major Bloodred signs. I am sorry about that but it simply is not different.

Marcel

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Marcel Poots (Holland)
'Where is your crown King Nothing?' James Hettfield

Jan,

Listen to him, he is absolutly correct. I have worked with bloodreds quite a few time and he is right in all cases. You do have a beautiful snake, but not a bloodred.

tom

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...the explanation you gave is right. I hope that he will simply believe in the things you said.

But, I miss one thing in your explanation in that whole discussion, which I tried to figure out in my post (very far) below.

Since, there seem to be no proven MotleyBloods out there, we do not know, how a MotleyBlood Belly should look like. I wouldn't ever allow me to say, wheter it is a MotleyBlood or not, just by looking at the belly, with the fact that we all do not know, how it should look like!

We know from other morphs like AneryCharcoals that one gene can hide the other, so we have Anery looking animals. Who told you, that a true MotleyBlood can't have a MotleyBelly - god?

Just wanted to say this, because this is, imho, not a correct way to argument in this discussion. So I was speaking of - breed it to the 3 involved Morphs and if you get all homo. hatchlings, it is AmelMotleyBlood. If not, it is not AmelMotleyBlood.

Greetings

P.S.: Perhaps the post would be better in the posts below - but the plot is still understandable...

>>Since, there seem to be no proven MotleyBloods out there, we do not know, how a MotleyBlood Belly should look like.

I do understand what you mean and I appologise for not mentioning it before but I have seen a belly picture of a Bloodred Striped form Richard Hume. Their belly is just like a Bloodred belly and not like a Striped belly. I am not saying Motley will be the same but I was trying to show Jan that my Motley belly probably looks the same as his 'Bloodred Motley'.

Marcel
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Marcel Poots (Holland)
'Where is your crown King Nothing?' James Hettfield

>>...the explanation you gave is right. I hope that he will simply believe in the things you said.
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>>But, I miss one thing in your explanation in that whole discussion, which I tried to figure out in my post (very far) below.
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>>Since, there seem to be no proven MotleyBloods out there, we do not know, how a MotleyBlood Belly should look like. I wouldn't ever allow me to say, wheter it is a MotleyBlood or not, just by looking at the belly, with the fact that we all do not know, how it should look like!
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>>We know from other morphs like AneryCharcoals that one gene can hide the other, so we have Anery looking animals. Who told you, that a true MotleyBlood can't have a MotleyBelly - god?
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>>Just wanted to say this, because this is, imho, not a correct way to argument in this discussion. So I was speaking of - breed it to the 3 involved Morphs and if you get all homo. hatchlings, it is AmelMotleyBlood. If not, it is not AmelMotleyBlood.
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>>Greetings
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>>P.S.: Perhaps the post would be better in the posts below - but the plot is still understandable...
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Marcel Poots (Holland)
'Where is your crown King Nothing?' James Hettfield

Btw. I also thought of the BloodredStripes from Rich, but I would like it better, to keep the "look" of a snake out of such a discussion because it will lead the people again to label their animals by that (now, the just look at the bellies) instead of proving them by breeding and so have proven them genetically.

This is one of the main problems we have here in Germany/Europe.
Watching nice pictures and if one animal looks a bit the same, just label it like that.

np

You are right in the fact that we cannot say for sure what a bloodred belly will look like, until a bloodred motley (what we believe to be a bloodred motley) is breed to a bloodred to prove it is a bloodred.

Belly this belly that!lol I think we are all forgetting about an important trait of the bloods, the head. I might be mistaken, but any bloodred morphs (ie bloodred ghost or bloodred anery A or B) have the missing (for lack of a better word) head pattern and color. All the ones I have seen are gray to some extent or another.

The motley gene is a pattern and from what I have seen does not affect color. Thus, ignoring the belly (which is odviously up for debate) a bloodred motley should look bloodred in color with a motely pattern.

IMHO

Tom

xtremeherps@yahoo.com

>>The motley gene is a pattern and from what I have seen does not affect color. Thus, ignoring the belly (which is odviously up for debate) a bloodred motley should look bloodred in color with a motely pattern.

Tom,

That's why I want to produce Motley Bloodred so badly. I do think Motley hides the blackpigment like Bloodred does. Here is a pic of my normal Motley. I can only dream on how a combo of Motley and Bloodred will look like

Marcel

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Marcel Poots (Holland)
'Where is your crown King Nothing?' James Hettfield

Thanks for the answer its claer now

greatings Jan

>>Thanks for the answer its claer now
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>>greatings Jan

I am glad I could be of help Jan!

Marcel
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Marcel Poots (Holland)
'Where is your crown King Nothing?' James Hettfield