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MY VEILED HATES ME...

sallie_keeper Jun 02, 2003 01:25 AM

How can I get my veiled to trust me a little better. I hate that I stress him out so much. I tried to take him out of his enclosure to clean it.. and he puffed up, tried his best to run away, and changed to almost totally black once I did get him. I do keep him in a very dark box during cleaning, but he was still very stressed out after he was put back in. He will NOT let me any where near him. AND JUST HATES ME..

Anything I can do?? Or is this just a love, hate relationship??

Harpy
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Replies (8)

jsinger Jun 02, 2003 08:19 AM

my veiled i cant even get my hand in his cage to clean it, and i usually do it when he is sleeping, so he wont get stressed - lately i was lucky enough to get him out with no fuss, but that was the first time in nearly 2 years taht he was handled! my best advice to get him out stress free is to cup feed him, and when he climbs into the cup to eat, slowly remove the cup, so that he is not disturbed - when i did that, there was no hissing, biting, or anything out of the ordinary - i would not recommend doing this every day, but once in a while it is ok to do - just be careful to remove the cup slowly and not to shake it, because that will stress him, and get him mad - you also want to be very careful when doing this, because you do not want your cham to be scared of his food cup - my cham often crawls in while eating, so i would recommend doing this, only when it is necessary - if you do not use a cup (i know when i use silkies once in a while that i just put them onto branches) try to use one anywayts - your cham may need a while to get used to it, but i know if it were not for a cup, my veiled would never eat - if you are worried about the size of your veiled, and the bite he can pack, dont worry - my veiled is early 2 feet long and he was very calm when i actully did get him out - hope this helped
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reptayls Jun 02, 2003 12:26 PM

Hi Sallei,

Why do you keep him in a dark box??????
When we get our chams out for "house cleaning", we give them a tree to climb on (in the sunlight, if a good day). We have a couple of small maple trees, and a large umbrella, and a dracena that work indoors or out. We make it an adventure - not a dreaded experience.

Do you hand feed your cham treats? We use wax worms, silkworms, hornworms - as treats. This makes the cham less afraid of the hand. We highly recommend trying this. Just open the cage door, and offer a treat. If he is hungry... he will take it. Have patience - it might not work the first time... it make take several tries. If he absolutely won't take from the palm of your hand - offer the treat on a small plastic tub lid. After he gets used to that, you can switch to trying your hand again.

Hope this helps,
Morgana - Reptayls, Ltd.

sallie_keeper Jun 03, 2003 12:30 AM

>>>Why do you keep him in a dark box??????

That is what his previous owner said to do. To keep in dark enclosure to lower stress.. Did not work.. But he changed from a very dark blackish/green to a lime green..while INSIDE of it..

Harpy
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reptayls Jun 03, 2003 01:19 AM

Sallie,

I am going to tell you about our first veiled...
Hubby and I went to the herp show (this was about 3 years ago). We were looking for panthers - the only species we had been breeding. We saw some terrific oak cabinets and I went over to look at a tall one. Inside the glass door I saw a light; a long branch; and a black chameleon.

Hubby and I recognized it as the veiled species due to the casque. We asked the guy what was wrong with it - because it was backed into the corner and black. We could hear it hissing. He proceeded to tell us that it was the meanest lizard he had seen in 10 years....

We walked around the show for a while, and kept talking about how inhumane it was for that chameleon. We agreed to "rescue" him, so back we went. The guy was delighted to dump him on us!

We didn't have a carrier, so the guy found a cardboard box and some tape. Honestly - no exaggeration - it took 4 grown men and a young boy (holding the box) to get that chameleon into it. The chameleon thrashed, wriggled, hissed, bit, lashed with his tail...... they taped it good.

Hubby and I wondered if we made a wise choice!
We wondered even more when we got home, opened the box, and the chameleon rushed out and bit my hubby (drawing blood) on his way into the cage. I decided to let this lizard calm down before even feeding him.

Days went by, and I was afraid when I opened the door to offer food. Thankfully, he eagerly ate from a feeding cup, so I was able to toss insects in it and close the door. I had never seen such a fuss! His attitude led me to name him Vinny. He was approx 10 months old.

One day, I was treating our panthers to waxworms... and as I offered those by hand - I was afraid to give any to Vinny. He always hissed and would act like he wanted to bite. So, I opened the door and put my open hand in with some worms. His reaction was predictable, so I kept my hand out of striking distance. I waited... Finally he realized it was food... and he took one. He ended up taking several.

Each day, I would offer a few. He grew less and less huffy and actually got a nice green and gold color. In less than a month, he was coming out onto my hand and behaving. He has never gone black again.

To this day, he has never bitten me or my hubby (again). Sure, he has his grouchy days - but is generally a pussy cat. He even scratches at the door to be let out. He wanders around the house and has his places to perch. His is an excellent breeder too.

When he goes outside, he get so full of himself that he colors up magnificently - people say he is one of the nicest veileds they have seen.

But the best anicdote: the previous owner saw Vinny at a show recently. He was shocked. He admitted that I must have "the touch" with animals - because he couldn't believe it was the same chameleon.

Even though we have over 100 enclosures with chameleons - and clutches of babies on and off - there is always time for Vinny each week to be part of the family. He has proven to be a great pal.

So... don't give up trying with yours. Be gentle, offer treats, and don't close him in a dark box. If he turns green in the darkness - I'll wager he is the same color when he sleeps. Not every chameleon makes a good "pet" - but he can at least be made comfortable (less stressed), and the relationship more rewarding for the both of you.

Morgana - Reptayls, Ltd.

reptayls Jun 03, 2003 02:17 AM

Sallie,

I thought you'd like to see Vinny.

Morgana - Reptayls, Ltd.

sallie_keeper Jun 04, 2003 01:41 AM

They are such gorgeous animals.. I have always loved these guys.

IS HE ANGRY OR JUST CHUNKY??

Thanks for the story, I know, give him time..

Thanks again,
Harpy
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reptayls Jun 04, 2003 08:27 AM

Sallie,

Vinny wasn't mad... he was strutting!
He gets so "full of himself" at times and he just HAS to show off! When I took this series of photos - there was nobody around. No other cham was visible... just Vinny, in the tree, enjoying his sunshine. *LOL*

Morgana - Reptayls, Ltd.

charm_paradise Jun 02, 2003 01:52 PM

Harpy-

Why are you putting him in a dark box when you clean his cage? You should make cage cleaning fun for your chameleon, buy putting him on a tree outside the cage. If the weather is good in your area, take him outside in the tree while you clean. Put some treats in the tree like silkworms, you can get them @ www.mulberryfarms.com and on ebay. Once your done cleaning the cage and put him back in, try and hand feed him another treat. Everytime I take my chameleons out of there cages, they ALWAYS get a treat once they go back in the cage. Once your chameleon gets use to this there should not be any problmes. I have a wild Ambilobe panther that will jump on to my arm when I put it in the cage, and he runs up my arm on to my shoulder and then I put him outside in his tree. Hope This helps!
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John
1.1 Ambilobe Panthers
1.1 Nosy Be Panthers
1.1 Sambava Panthers

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