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When this board asks you to sign in,you type a big long reply,hit "preview"...and,it takes you back to the "sign in" screen again!!! *LOL*...anyway,all that was lost to sever reset,or,"whatever"???!)...I have some legitimate concerns about how these new F1 Jungles will be sold...if 90% of an animals value/sales appeal is based on visual appearance,then how can a "lesser expressive" command the same price as a "full expressive" gene carrier? I have,what I feel is a pretty good understanding of genetics,and,almost seven years experience with a trait that also seems to be dominant/variably expressed(?)so I've given alot of thought to the subject,and,it seems to me that when dealing with a variable exressive condition/trait,there are some unanswered questions that need to be addressed,does a lesser expressive gene carrier produce a higher percentage of "lessers" within the number of Jungles identified in a given litter? has anyone looked into this? even if the answer is intangible,I believe there should be some sort of grading process in terms of pricing...If I produce a kicka$$ Jungle,(theoretically speaking),I'm certainly not going to offer it for the same price as a lesser expression example! I'm going to want more for it! not based on greed,but based on what it will take for me to live without it,likewise if I offer "so-so" individuals,that I know will carry the trait,how can I honestly expect someone to pay a flat rate?...see what I mean?

Tim,

In the case of the Jungles (and maybe even your Harli line?), you know there are lesser expressive examples of the jungle trait, however none the less a jungle. Then there are the extreme examples. Either way they are both jungles.

Some people are going to be interested in the genetics period, so maybe a lesser jungle (I like that term lol) is what will work for you. Not much visual appeal but the genetics are there. That would be your base, say $3000.

Now, you have the more expressive Jungle, super abberant, bad @ss example (For those who have to have the best!). This appeals to those who want the look as well as the gentic possibilities. That will always command a higher price, now you are talking $3000-$5000.

Interstingly enough, either way, they produce the same offspring!

I would think, in a way, it would be the same as with the Hypos. Some look better than others, but they are still all just hypos.

Regardless of what it is, Jungle, Harlequin, Leopard, etc.... it will all be based on an established product.

Jungles have been around for like 5 or more years all ready and yet over half of the herping world has NO clue what they are.

"All of the above is only an opinion, I am not establishing a price, this is for an example only "
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That's what I'd figured,but,to be honest I've never had the opportunity to see a widely varying group of them,and,how they were priced. I do still wonder though about the level of expression of offspring produced by "lessers" (I have no idea if that is a valid term,but,use it in lieu of one!*lol*)as opposed to the degree of influence compared to "full,or,greater(?)expressives" I don't have any animals,(yet)from the proven Jungle line,so there are some things I still wonder about. I know from my own experience that it's always nice when things work in a nice,and,neat fashion,but,sometimes assumptions are made prior to full understanding,which can lead to having to reassess the situation,which is why they,(the Jungles)were originally believed to be recessive.

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