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I was just looking at the KS classifieds.. which I tend to do about every 20 minutes. Anyway, I seen an add that brought a question to mind. Jungles, as were described the other day, refer to the line that originated from Sweden. If others prove to produce the same or similar animals, it was said they would still NOT be Jungles.

Getting to my question.. if my trio produces what appear to be Jungles, and I mean in every way, not just pattern, could I then have the Morelan line of Jungles? I see there are Motleys that refer to the Jeremy Stone line, and then there are the Roylance line of Motley. If it is possible in the Motley line, would it not be possible in the Jungle line?

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Shawn Morelan
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In the years ahead,to decide on names,if that becomes neccessary,and,I will tell you it can take YEARS of work,(don't look at it as work,really,but,rather a labor of love,and,you'll come out the other side with hair left?)to truely "prove" a given mutation that is not quantified by a single "cut & dried" expression.(not just one single breeding will always tell the whole story!) with the Motley example,there is clear cut,obvious unified expression in all the currently accepted lines,and,in the trait itself,again,I understand the comparison,however,it it not quite the same in a variably expressed trait....breed the animals,THEN worry about what to call them! in the meantime the breeder may reach some sort of conclusion that will have to be taken into consideration. of course this is just my opinion,as always...I could be wrong? relax,there's plenty of time to worry about marketing,after the fruit of your labor can be examined?

If the original breeder I purchased from would ever send me the pictures, we could be years ahead of schedule.

I know he told me, as well as showed me pictures of the last few years of breeding the same siblings to show the pattern continues. That is why I was asking to begin with, these are not just animals that all of a sudden appeared to have a "junglish" look. These are from a line he has been breeding for many years that according to him and the pictures all have the same look. If he would allow them to be published I think he could prove this with the work he has already completed and documented.

Now I can also raise these and try to prove it one way or the other myself.. but it seems foolish to re-invent the wheel if I dont have to. Granted.. it would not be my line then, but his. That is also ok, as I am not looking or asking just to get my name behind them, although that would be very nice. Ok.. I am rambling now. Sorry. I should post the breeder so everyone can email him and see the pictures for themselves... I have emailed and left messages for the last 5 weeks and no reply.

Shawn Morelan

That's why I have trouble wondering how they could become "Morleans Jungles",if the breeder has shown a pattern of inheritence,and,is still producing them?...also,if he's produced multiple generations,and,has not produced a "super",or,dramatic looking dominant animal...then,it's probably not a Jungle? I'm not trying to be overly negative here,just a realistic voice of reason.(BTW,I think they're awesome looking animals with lots of potential,and,the breeder should have his head examined! *lol*)

Tim... that is what I mean.. they are not my line, they should be and are his. But how much can a few people do to convince someone to deliver pictures to show proof before they try and prove it themselves.

I would prefer he come forward and either prove or disprove the Jungle theory. Now I would say that if he never comes forward or produces proof, and I wait out the 2 years needed to breed the junglish male to a normal female and then another year to breed the junglish male to the junglish female and by some slim chance can prove anything,,,, I would then see things different.

I can understand not wanting to put your neck out to start or expand a line, but the cat is out of the bag. I personally know of 2 other people who have a few of these with the hope that something may come of it. So it is not a secret about these animals. They were on display in Daytona even, along with the pictures I am asking for. Now sudden silence. I just feel that if the breeder has the information to answer questions his customers have, then is it not a responsibility to help?

I am not asking him to stand on one side or the other, but to merely provide pictures of the parents and or grandparents that I was shown in Daytona. There are plenty of knowledgable people here to help decide if they are or not in fact similar or the same.

BTW....... thanks for all the replie! I am actually learning something here.

Shawn

Again playing devils advocate

Could it be possible that no "SUPER" was ever produced by the original breeder due to the fact he hasnt bred a baby to the parent?

I dont recall if its been stated he did, but IF he has never bred a offspring(s) to the parent(s), or IF hes never bred a sibling to sibling, then wouldnt it be possible he is only creating "jungleish" animals much as a hypo to common will not produce a dominent hypo, a "jungleish" to common will not produce a "superjungleish".....LMAO

Mickey Hinkle
The Lizard King Reptiles

*******Getting to my question.. if my trio produces what appear to be Jungles, and I mean in every way, not just pattern, could I then have the Morelan line of Jungles?********

Sure, why not? I would do that. But I would take it 1 step furthur and breed them back to the dad to see if infact they are what they appear to be. That's just me though.
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