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a friend saw a comercial for this group. Now realize that I pass the PETA HQ on the way home from work.

Read the Animal Scam part.

http://www.consumerfreedom.com
and
http://www.animalscam.com/
Animal Scam

I can't wait to see the commercials myself!

Have you seen this story?

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=34479

These people are insane.--And I mean that literally! I have killed probably millions of ants by poison last year alone. (Guess that makes me a mass murderer!) Maybe if we could infect PETA members with some nasty intestinal worms, that they wouldn't treat, (because those parasites are sentient beings!) we could get rid of a few of them using their own reasoning against them!-LOL. Kind of a survival of the fittest thing. PETA members, who don't have the most fit minds, will be eliminated from the gene pool! We reasonable people, with fit minds, could use an anti-helminthic if needed.

I remember when the California Condor project was getting started and PETA tried to file a suit to have all the California Condors destroyed because, "It was inhumane to keep them in a cage of any size!" They are better off dead than in a cage. Yeah, that's real ethical!

Fortunately, they lost that one, like many of their suits.

A lady I used to work with was trying to get people to join PETA-(a membership drive). She quoted things like chemical testing in rabbits eyes and crash tests with live pigs in the cars. Who would support that? They had a nice brochure with someone on the cover petting their golden retriever. I looked through some of their info/bylaws and was able to come back with the fact that they want no animals in society, period! The don't even want people to be able to have dogs or cats, and they had a cute dog on the cover of their brochure to get donations/new members! Hypocrites!

Wish I could find the link, but they even said they were going after various industries in order of their size because the smallest would be the easiest to attack and that would set a legal precedent to go after larger and larger ones. If I remember correctly, they wanted to attack the reptile industry, then the tropical fish, exotic birds, exotic mammals, dogs and cats, and finally farm animals. Fortunately, they weren't successful, as the reptile industry is larger now than it was back then!

If you have a pet snake, and you don't feed it, you are being inhumane to the snake to starve it. If you feed it, you are being inhumane to the food item!--There is no way to win using their logic, except for elimination of all animals. Then what? Animals in the wild that are getting eaten alive or torn apart alive is being more humane than caring for them in captivity? It's ironic that living in the wild, which is usually very inhumane, they support--while living in captivity, which is usually humane, they condemned.

Once all the animals are gone, they will probably start a splinter group called PETP (People for the Ethical Treatment of Plants) Then what will we eat! They would probably support cannibalism I suspect!

If it wasn't for some of their protests, with scantily clad women in cages-or nude women with tiger stripes painted on them protesting fur coats, they would have absolutely nothing I would be interested in! (Obviously that's just a guy thing)

Here's the URL to some ads. that FOX NEWS is going to run. Another good reason for me to love Fox News!

http://www.consumerfreedom.com/ad_campaign.cfm

Kingsnake should start a PETA bashing forum.--I bet there would be a lot of content on that one!

Rodney

Reminds me of when my mother (who was rescuing and treating injured wild birds-at her own expense back in the sixties and seventies) got into a battle and ended up quiting the Audibon Society because that was their concept...Birds were better off being extinct than in a cage. Probably that is where PETA got it from.

A respect for Nature comes from a love of the enviroment. That includes all aspects-plants, animals etc... You cannot teach that love from a book or a museum. It's hands on. Groups like PETA that seek to isolate us from the enviroment,(and by banning zoo and private ownership that is exactly what they are seeking to accomplish) serve only the developers and exploiters. It's simple...Do you care about what you cannot see and do not touch? Would you stand up for something that only exists for you as a picture in a book? There is the ultimate hypocrasy of these so called "animal rights" groups.

Frank
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"The luxury of not getting involved departed with the last lifeboat Skipper..."

I mean it is right at home with Game and Wildlife. While there is a very dislike for Peta ( me ), I have had some discussions with the local wildlife department on the subject of wounded animals. It seems the agency ( where I live ) doesn't take it kindly if you are out there trying to save a raptore and some other species of wildlife. They are oppose to re-locating wildlife if the habitat where wildlife is from is in jeporady either by being destroyed or changed. My particular incidence ( I have posted this before ) was a denning site of Timber Rattlesnakes. There was a new bridge construction going on with blasting of rocks that there had been a rather large Timber population there for who knows how long. The problem was the Timber of my state is on a SINC list and therefore not approachable to do anything with other than wildlife agency themselves. But for the lack of agents and manpower, they couldn't do anything and neither ( by law ) me ! So the consequences was: while some of the Timbers are still there, there are far less numbers and who knows how many was effected by the blasting and huge tires of the huge trucks and noise associated with the above. I have observed this den for the better of 25 years and on the last few trips the number of aninmals have taken a nose dive. Now who am I to consider if this bridge needed to be enlarged ? I have traveled this route for 25 years. The bridge ( seeing it from above and below ) didn't seem to be in ANY repair need !It is a cross road and not freeway or a major route. It IS a shortcut to other major roads linking Kansas and Missouri but there was ( unfortunatly ) a major truck/wharehouse built at the west entrance to this highway but built right next to a federal highway. It just doesn't make any sense to me........

Chambo ( the fact and number guy )

Same thing here. I used to have people bring me wounded baby birds all the time for rehab. since I am know as the local bird expert around here. I had to stop doing it because of some other breeders that had their entire collections taken from them because they got caught and didn't have a "permit" to have native wildlife or a "license" to rehab. native animals. I couldn't risk my collection of expensive exotics just to save a few natives.

Funny thing is, when I went to an animal rescue organization, that is licensed, they picked my brain to solve their problems and they wanted me to volunteer my time to them since I knew so much more than they did!

Just goes to show you, a license means squat! All it means is that you paid a local government office to get it!
Unfortunately, I couldn't possible drive back and forth and take care of my own animals also.

Rodney

Is it possible for you to get a license in your state? In MD a private citizen can become a rehabber without a "shelter". I realize there still may be time and/or space issues. I do pet reptile adoptions, and would like to do rehab, but have neither the space to keep rehabs seperate from foster/education animals, nor the time to apprentice for two years.

Katrina

Yes, I could. But there are problems associated with that as well. Primarily red tape and bureaucracies.

As an example, 2 pet shops I sell to had this happen within the same week. (both in the same county and inspected by the same people).

1)pet shop was "raided" by county run humane society. 4 hours in their store with 4 officers with guns and bullet proof vests, etc. and over 40 citations written. Most citations were for "too natural" cages that were "too hard" to clean. (the cages weren't dirty, they just didn't like the set ups) Cages must have newspaper substrait only! No natural substrait allowed. Owners were told that their shop was riddled with snake mites. After asking to produce one, and though after 4 hours of them searching, none could be found. (All they could find was cocoa coir that looked a little like mites.) Many customers were intimidated and left the store without buying anything because of the stigma of having the humane society in the store. Owners were told that they would be doing 6 months in prison because of the quantity of citations, minimum. After about 3 months of worrying, the day before the court hearing, all citations/charges were sumarily dropped.

2)pet shop with cages set up in the same manner given a strict warning to add more branches/plants/bedding, etc. to the cages to make them more natural! The exact opposite of what the 1st pet shop was told and cited for. (I sell to both these shops and while they are both clean, #1 is a little cleaner).

Once you get a license, you are open to inspection from the humane society, Dept. of Agriculture, etc. --There is no license needed to raise exotics so it just isn't worth all the potential trouble.

An interesting thing though, pet shop #1 has the county animal rescue buy all their feeders from them! They also get their info. for animal care from them as well. When animal rescue stated that they would testify (against the humane society) that was the cleanest most knowledgeable reptile store in the county, some of the heat (threats of jail) let up. Also interesting, animal rescue gets most of their exotic animals from the humane society because the humane society can't care for them properly! So the people (animal rescue) that the humane society gives exotics to, to care for, are the same ones that go to that exact same reptile shop for recommendations on care, for feeders, etc.! Also, I heard later that the humane society supervisor in charge of these raids was promoted and moved out of state. (It has since been said that this was done to get rid of her because of all the complaints/problems she caused).--I don't know if that part is true or not, but I wouldn't put it past the Govt. to do that kind of thing! (Promoting and moving a trouble maker to get rid of her.)

Rodney

Rodney,

Are you confusing the humane society with the county animal control? Sometimes they are one and the same, but in most cases they're not. Here in MD, there are few humane societies with legal authority to "raid" anything. Most don't even investigate pet stores, as it is the legal domain of animal control. Some will visit pet stores and register complaints to animal control, but that's all they can do. It is animal control's responsibility to investigate the compaints, write the fines (if they actually notice the problem, which is unlikely), and possibly confiscate the animals if they are that bad, but rarely in MD will an animal be confiscated from a store.

Katrina